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작성자: Nebutronical 10/12/2019 12:17:28 PM
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Datto’s feedback on Shadowkeep

He really speak for the community...or bit!? His feedback: - raid is far too easy. Meanwhile most of us haven’t even started it let alone complete it - levelling is too easy. He’s played 93 hours since launch...we all have actual jobs and scraping to level up - Armor 2.0 is fantastic. Really??!! So I’m assuming Bungie will take this on board even though this represents the most elite of elite try hards. EDIT: I don’t mean to make this personal against Datto. I respect his knowledge and I obviously follow him otherwise I wouldn’t have seen the video. I guess my implicit message is that I don’t like the power Youtubers have, and certainly don’t feel their opinion represents the majority of the players. A point he himself acknowledges yet there does seem to be a correlation between what streamers say and what Bungie do. That was my main concern - I don’t think that was very clear originally EDIT 2: some good comments both side of the coin here. Please try and not get too personal against Datto, ie some comments about his hair style etc, not really relevant!
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  • 작성자: RAUDRULF 10/14/2019 9:45:05 AM
    Raid is easy = Didn't make worlds first. Okeh [quote]EDIT: I don’t mean to make this personal against Datto. I respect his knowledge and I obviously follow him otherwise I wouldn’t have seen the video. I guess my implicit message is that I don’t like the power Youtubers have, and certainly don’t feel their opinion represents the majority of the players. A point he himself acknowledges yet there does seem to be a correlation between what streamers say and what Bungie do. That was my main concern - I don’t think that was very clear originally[/quote] Every time he makes a video he makes it personal about HIMSELF, drawing a target on his own back. [quote]EDIT 2: some good comments both side of the coin here. Please try and not get too personal against Datto, ie some comments about his hair style etc, not really relevant! [/quote] I am surprised that he isn't available as a Fortnite DLC character yet. - I mean

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  • 작성자: DeathPony07 10/13/2019 2:48:42 PM
    "DUUUURR the raid is too easy for me and my expert raid team DUUUURR!" Nevermind the fact that less than 10% of the player base can actually complete a raid because of the toxic elitists. "DUUUURR Armor 2.0 is great, even though it's complete garbage, and worse than what we had before DUUUURR!" Just give us the armor system from D1, the cooldowns from D1, and put Mobility, Armor, and Recovery adjustments back in the skill trees, where they belong. Everything is -blam!-ed up and annoying, because Bungie is incompetent.

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    • Completely agree! The game is being pushed in the direction of no life’s, and the average person who can’t dedicate that kind of time get screwed.

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      • I dig armor 2.0, it gives much more build versatility. Leveling doesn't feel much different, or even that important to me at this point.

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      • I commented on one of his YouTube videos stating how his opinions ruined pvp with making comp easy mode and wiping out the pinnacle weapon chase, along with stating how he has a horrid pvp kd and saying how is he going to speak on pvps behalf..... How people should unsubscribe The comment got deleted within hours. Screw that cry baby. Dummy doesn’t realize that without Bungie he’s a dead fish. And he’s killing the game

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        • i think streamers in general need to try playing only 2 hours a day before they comment on the difficulty of levelling. And run the raid with a random lfg group while they are at it before commenting on raid difficulty

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          • 작성자: Bush's Baked Beans 10/12/2019 4:18:20 PM
            Your post feels like you either a) didn't fully understand what datto so saying or b) you're incredibly biased for no particular reason, cutting out sections of the video to fit your own narrative Ladies and gentlemen, a lesson in rhetoric [quote] - raid is far too easy. Meanwhile most of us haven’t even started it let alone complete it[/quote] He said he feels the enemies are weak, not the mechanics. He actually really enjoyed the mechanics, but wants to see a version of the raid where enemies are more tanky. While yes, many of us have not completed the raid, the barrier is the raid mechanics, not the enemies. If there were a mode where the raid would still kick your ass because of the enemies, like datto is suggesting, then it would more enjoyable for those who already mastered the mechanics. You missed his entire point [quote]- levelling is too easy. He’s played 93 hours since launch...we all have actual jobs and scraping to level up[/quote] No, he complimented the leveling system. He said it feels rewarding, and likes the consistency of xp needed to earn levels. He acknowledges how long hes played, recognizes how long he spent grinding bounties. Also, streaming is an "actual job," the same as how an actor or a musician is a job. It's called entertainment industry, Boomer. I can't recall anytime he said it's "too easy." [quote] - Armor 2.0 is fantastic. Really??!![/quote] I don't understand your point here - you're implying that he's wrong for liking armor 2.0? So how is your opinion better then his? Similarly, how is his opinion better than yours? I enjoy armor 2.0. Does that suddenly turn me into a target for enjoying the new system and what it brings? Again, you either misinterpreted or completely ignored like half the video. Please go watch it again with an open mind and maybe you'll have a better understanding. Edit - wow I can't believe how many people get offended that playing games can be considered a job in modern times. For clarification - having consistent source of income is considered a job. If you're making a consistent amount of money making content, then your job is being a content creator - whether it be making movies, music, or YouTube videos. They are all the same - meaning if datto does not have a job, Taylor Swify doesn't have a job and neither does your favorite porn star.

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            • 작성자: Guardian, Archon Of Light 10/12/2019 9:58:35 PM
              Datto defended Bungies decision to catch everyone up to 750 "You got to max level because you wanted to" were his exact words Then turns around and says leveling is too easy , maybe they should have put the hardcap at 750, then see if he could get to 940 in 5 days. Bungie listens to Datto because of his subscriber count , if people would unsubscribe , they wouldn't listen anymore

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              • The no-life kids are ruining this game. I had way more fun in D1.

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                • 작성자: Dauntess 10/12/2019 2:06:03 AM
                  Someone who gets paid to play video games, doesn’t speak for those who pay to play video games. Edit: Armor 2.0 is a huge disappointment. I have armor 1.0 that has better stats than some of the new armor and is impossible to make with the energy system.

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                  • 작성자: Snafu Gundam 10/13/2019 12:34:04 PM
                    Played for 2 weeks with a 40 hour a week job + overtime. My highest is 932. And that's with swapping gear to other characters to get higher drops. Leveling is easy my ass! I'd have a easier time with Iron Banner next week.

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                    • Let the streamers get jobs that require you to leave the house 5-6 days a week and see how easy things are when they’re only playing 2-3 hours a day. If they want a challenge go in under light or play blind folded.

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                    • 작성자: rZI3 10/13/2019 9:17:17 AM
                      I had a friend mention yesterday alot of talk on Twitter(well known players) are asking for recluse nerf and such because of content being easy

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                      Dude, when spawn sees this you're done.

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                    • Lol if the raid is too easy according to Datto, how come he didn’t get world’s first?

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                      • We for real doin feedback on his feedback? ..........

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                        • Datto really needs to get his head out of his sweaty ass! I honestly can't stand streamers like him and Redeem who say everything is too easy; I have the Rivensbane seal, but I'm not going to be a dick about it and say it's easy (but that's exactly what they would say).

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                        • Well gladd just 3 manned the raid flawlessly. Wonder what Bungie will do now?

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                        • Who???

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                        • 작성자: NonOffensiveID1 10/12/2019 6:08:59 PM
                          Surprised this hasn't been locked yet. Don't speak ill of Dathole.

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                          • Most of the things added with this DLC has been a cakewalk. So much for Bungie listening to the streamers to make the game more of a "challenge".

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                            • 작성자: FatDaddy001 10/13/2019 12:29:24 AM
                              Armor 2.0 would be perfect if they just dropped the whole elemental aspect of the armor impacting what mods can be used And levelling to 950 is pretty easy with 3 characters

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                            • The raid really is far to easy. Did the raid through LFG and completed most of the encounter (besides the final boss ,we had a mentally handicapped person) within 3 tries. Leveling is pretty easy but I feel it is in a good place for the majority of the player base. Armor 2.0 is good for sure.

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                            • 작성자: SxfetyPin 10/12/2019 5:37:15 AM
                              You have to realize, Datto is clearly only speaking of their own thoughts. It's literally titled First Impressions. : / Not a single time in that video did Datto say,"I am speaking for everyone here. This is what the community at large agrees with." Not at all. In fact, Datto even specifically mentioned that most common people are struggling with the Raid. While their specific team, is breezing through it. They made it extremely clear that the HARDCORE aspect of the game is lacking at the moment. If you've a job, then Destiny for you is most likely a HOBBY. Datto's Destiny is literally their JOB. Of course someone who has far more time, and others within reach that do as well is going to differ in opinion than someone who isn't that invested and doesn't have people around who are. Common sense. Please use it.

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                              • You hit the nail on the head. The issue is feedback from someone who's job it is to play games. It doesn't represent the larger community of people who play casually. However, I'd say if bungie were smart they would aggregate feedback from content creators and casuals, to paint a more clear picture.

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                              • 작성자: Cudd1eZombi3 10/12/2019 3:26:58 AM
                                The problem is bungie should be listening to the whole of the player base, but they dont. For some reason they seem to worship youtubers. Maybe it's the free advertising, who knows. But at the end of the day it's the people who stick by the game and bungie that matter. As soon as something new comes along well you can guarantee the youtubers will move on to another game. It's all about the views not destiny. I think bungie need to open their eyes to this. Also and here's the kicker, if Datto and anyone else is finding shadowkeep too easy, maybe play a bit less. Slow the grind. Dont use glitches or cheeses because funnily enough not only is it technically cheating, it makes the game easier. Dont use the meta weapons and supers unless it's a situation where it's the only viable option. There are plenty of ways to make the game "harder", especially as level of difficulty varies from person to person. Maybe take this on board before saying it's too easy in the first place.

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