Which would you rather eat? A peanut butter sandwich where all the peanut butter is piled up in one small corner? Or one where it’s spread over the bread and you get to enjoy peanut butter in every bite? The peanut butter is the POWER in this game. It’s all piled up in a small number of abilities, armor pieces, weapons and perks. THERE IS NO BUILD DIVERSITY IN THIS GAME. We all run the same builds and the same weapons with the same perks....and the more we do that the more Bungie pushes back and times the game with that expectation (Tier 3 Reckoning, Heroic Menagerie) It’s a downward spiral that breaks games. We either lose interest because the game becomes boring and if me-dimensional...or it becomes so tediously difficult (Reckoning) that it stops being fun to play. The only way this can be fixed is for Bungie to take back that power from those overpowered items and give it to other parts of the game. [b]Things aren’t getting worse. Bungie is finally FIXING the problems that the bad design choices that went into vanilla Destiny 2 created. Instead of just slapping band-aids on them.[/b] What’s the point of all the choices the are building into our gear if six weapons and three perks are so clearly superior to everything else that no one bothers with anything else??

I’ve been away nearly a year and judging by the forums, it’s the same old Destiny!

Yeah this TWAB was the nail in the coffin for me, deleted D2 off my PS4 this morning. I’ve previously pre-ordered every destiny release since the D1 beta. I will continue to check in on the game and see if they make changes that suit me, but there’s a lot they’d have to change such as: Remove the focus on paid micro transactions. Don’t have things like finisher animations be tied to Eververse. Stop the reskins (new Shadowkeep armor an Eververse reskin, new ritual scout a niflheim frost reskin etc). Don’t have paid content that disappears. And random rolls to all year 1 weapons. Update all old vendors with new gear. Bring factions back permanently with rotating stock. Listen to the community (after all the negative feedback on enhancement cores, they add two more upgrade materials required for armor 2.0? Absurd). Give me a reason to grind old content from the last two years. I’m thoroughly bored of it and armor 2.0 isn’t enough to make it interesting. Also the game feels like it is headed towards extended grind just to drag things out even more. No thanks. It was fairly fun, but D2 never excited me like D1 did. Somehow that magic is gone. Strikes I could grind for hours in D1, but they’re so boring in D2. Apart from a few highlights (Whisper mission and Shattered Throne), the design of levels etc just doesn’t come close to a lot of D1 in my opinion.

So sick of you self entitled idiots pledging the forums. Clearly bungie is working hard enough as it is, and they don’t need whiny crybabies like you stirring up nonsense in regards to how they decide to balance their game. It’s not constructive, nor necessary. If you don’t like it, go play anthem. Go play borderlands. Or play Chinese checkers for all we care. Just stop picking at every little thing you see, and just be happy with what you’re getting. Jesus Christ

Don't worry, soon they'll add a "energy" mechanic to the game telling you how much you can... Oh wait that's resets desguised as "resets". This game was doomed to fail at the launch of D1. They had nowhere to go buy down.

They nerfed everything. Absolutely everything. How tf am I supposed to be excited for Dattokeep when they nerfed everything?

When our super in a game like this that Bungie literally stresses about "becoming more powerful" needs to be nerfed, you know things are getting worse.

I couldn't agree more. I took a long hiatus from the game starting after I had beaten the curse of Osiris dlc, and before the warmind dlc dropped. The game was clearly dying at that time and I decided to focus on other games. Until about 3 months ago when I decided to come back and give the game another try. I was hooked, I was very happy with the then current state of the game and leveled all three of my characters to lvl 50 and above 700 light, I even changed my main from a void warlock bottom tree to a striker Titan bottom tree because I was having so much fun with the subclass. I have literally spent another 120 hours since coming back having a blast, and chasing down the weapons that when I finally got them were SO MUCH FUN TO USE (Spare Rations/Breakneck/Thorn/Last Word/Dust Rock Blues etc........) However, after hearing the changes coming with Shadowkeep, I feel like I just got punched in the gut. My spare rations with forth time the charm and multi kill clip will no longer be the god roll I once got so elated to receive, and that same case can be made for 90% of the weapons currently in my vault. It honestly feels like they are just trying to increase the grind indefinitely, especially with the seasonal artifact resetting at the end of every season. I don't play this game for the grind..... I play this game to experience the power fantasy of walking in to a room laying waste to all that dares oppose me, not to mind numbingly grind for eternity. The grind should be and is to me a means to an end, never the end itself. Honestly with the changes they are bringing into the game, I don't know if I even want to play anymore. Modern Warfare is looking REALLY GOOD and I'm honestly more hyped to play this call of duty more than any since Modern Warfare 1 back in 2007. I haven't bought Shadowkeep yet, and I may not, we'll just have to wait and see if the game is any good after Shadowkeep launches. I thought when activision left that the game would get better, but honestly it just seems to be getting consistently worse.

Bungie’s basic problem is they don’t really know how to design and manage this kind of ongoing game experience. The team generally doesn’t even see as far as the effects of the content they are about to release. Which is odd since once the design choices are described the flaws in the thinking are generally pretty obvious for people who actually play the game. Also why you see the halting starts and frequent resets of the way things work because they're just throwing stuff against the wall to see how it works and is received when It hits real players. There’s seemingly no one in the team who really at a basic level gets how players are going to feel about gameplay changes to filter out the dumb stuff before it gets there. And that might be OK as a design strategy if they quickly fixed and changed things when it becomes clear they're not working out. But they just don’t react fast enough when they get it wrong. And they always always always get something wrong. And by now it’s often just a repeats of things they got wrong before. TL;DR If you can’t invest in being good at game design you should at least invest in being fast at fixing bad design.

Thanks a streamer who plays 8 hrs per day. The rest of us who have jobs and lives? Screw our fun.