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작성자: Alphard
9/4/2019 8:24:32 PM
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Sooooo why do Hunters get to keep their instant reload when they dodge? And an exotic like Sixth Coyote allows it to happen twice? Crank up the ability regeneration and BAM!
Being that Warlocks and Titans instant reload capabilities are being nerfed, so should Hunters. Its only fair. Make it so only half the mag gets reloaded. Or make it only "increases your reload speed", AKA the same treatment Titans and Warlocks are getting. Otherwise, a huge imbalance will occur.
By all means, I'm not happy with any of these nerfs, but fair is fair. I'd rather everything stay as is and Bungie actually comes up with new raid boss mechanics. Not our fault that every boss is a sitting duck during damage phase. They're just afraid that the new boss will be beaten too easily.
I'm only replying to comments that are constructive. Even if you disagree with me; as long as it's constructive, I will respect it and reply.
I'd love to hear your point on why Hunters instant reload should be left alone and why a Warlocks and Titans instant reload shouldn't be. Trolling and insulting comments are getting instantly reported and muted. Lets be adults and have an actual discussion as to why you agree or disagree.
Edit: I really wish they wouldn't just outright nerf it. Revert the rally barricade to its original state, where you had to duck to reload. Or only make instant reload happen when an Empowering rift is active, but not in a Well or a healing rift. There is a high risk high reward factor there, no overshield or health, but instant reload if you like to live dangerously. (Cue the Austin Powers theme).
So far the main point is that Hunters should keep their instant reload because, it only affects them on an individual basis. So why can't we do that with the other two classes? It makes me kinda sad that Hunters can keep instant reload because, it only affects them, but a support ability that helps the whole team is getting nerfed.
To whoever got this far, thank you for reading my lengthy post. ❤
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Oof. A better comparison of the rally and luna would be sealed ahamakara grasps. However for it to work as well you'd need to run middle tree gunslinger with burning blades, or middle tree nightstalker with poison smoke nades. However you're giving up celestial bottom tree, tether, arc staff etc. While luna and rally works on any class. Not to mention its bugged to where you wont get constant reloads if the enemy is debuffed from melting point or tractor etc. Lastly it only affects the one player vs the whole team.
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작성자: Saintgumball 9/4/2019 11:25:58 PMIts like having outlaw on the new rally and lunas we did just fine without instant reload in d1 that's why black spindle was so strong. They admit they cant make more challenging content and that the pace of output is to much for bungie. What are people expecting. Bungie is moving toward a systematic cell phone style mmo.
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i feel like the last time they nerfed things in preperation for the new raid (sleeper,whisper) was pointless as it wouldnt even be the meta boss melter even before the nerf. the thought process is so garbage lol.
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You are right! One way or another, the players will find a way. I remember I was upset about Whisper too because, I just adored that sniper. Then Outbreak came out and everyone was all, "Lol whats Whisper?" It'll probably be the same thing.
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its all just a placebo. even after nerfs i still end up using some guns as the nerf isnt that bad because the nerf wasnt needed. you can still one melt with sleeper/whisper. in my opinion they do these things to stronger weapons to make the newer ones look better than they actually are.
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I kinda had a feeling that was the case when Whisper got nerfed. Nobody would want to go after the new shiny toy if the old one is still good. My husband also predicted that they nerfed all the super regeneration exotics because, Bad Juju was coming out. Sure enough, it happened. The Phoenix Protocol nerf wasn't terrible either. I still get MOST of my super back.
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작성자: ReVenant 9/5/2019 2:51:03 PMYou're completely wrong. A Hunter gets ONE Dodge reload, and there is STILL an animation. I would argue that - stacked with Reloader Perks - that animation is going to be NO BETTER/FASTER than what Rally Barricades or Luna Boots are going to offer with their OUTLAW PERK. Furthermore, the MOST you're getting out of a reload with Dodge is 2 w/Sixth Coyote. That's far far far from unlimited reloads man. Not like what Rally Barricade and Luna Boots currently offer. Also, the weapons that matter most with Auto Reload (Rocket Launchers, G-Launchers, etc) will only do so much with "ONE" extra quick reload. That's not as game-breaking as unlimited "NO ANIMATION" reloads for the entire duration of a Rift or Barricade. They are in completely different ball parks. Hell, in PvE, Dodge may actually finally become somewhat useful. Also, as others have mentioned, this Dodge only affects themselves. There is nearly zero team benefit to that reload. So he fires off one extra rocket a little faster.....not a big deal in most cases. While I don't like the nerf to Barricades or Luna Boots, I'm trying to see the "positive" side of things here. My personal opinion is that they shouldn't have nerfed Barricade too, just Lunafaction - this way, in order to have a WELL AND UNLIMITED RELOADS, you would HAVE to team and have team synergy with a Titan. That, to me, is the MMO way. So, I'm not sure about Barricade getting the nerf too....I agree with Lunafaction because unlimited reloads PLUS a damage boost is a bit much....but Barricade didn't offer any damage boosting affects....so it felt somewhat more balanced to me.
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Thats why I think they should just revert barricade back to its original form, where you had to crouch to reload. We'll all be in line teabagging the ground again lol Well with Lunas is a bit easy mode with the overshield. Thats why I think that having Lunas only work for empowering rift would be a bigger risk. You're a sitting duck with no overshield if you want to take the risk. 😆
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작성자: Optimus96 9/4/2019 7:43:54 PMHunters dodge reload only affects themselves and only in that instance. Lunafaction and Rally continuously reloads your weapon for a set period of time and affects your whole fireteam. In other words, Hunters dodge only affects that Hunter’s DPS output, while Lunafaction/Rally affects the whole groups DPS output. Once Hunters get an exotic that shares the reload affect with other players, then Bungie will start to look into it.
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That makes me kind of sad in a way. :( Hunters can keep their instant reload because, it helps themselves, but support skills that help the whole team are nerfed. I get the whole continuous reload thing though, that I can agree with.
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There are two major differences. That Hunter reload only effects that hunter, not the entire fire team. Also the weapon does not reload while it is being shot like luna Well and barricade do. There is still the dodge animation in between firing rounds.
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Isn't that better though? You get to dodge your enemies shots and reload your weapon? So hunters can help themselves and its ok, but skills that help support your whole team aren't ok? :( That makes me a saaaad Panda. (Lol). Either way, thank you for the constructive reply. Much appreciated. 😊 The reload happening only once while a rift being a continuous thing is a point I can agree with.
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Better than standing in one spot, with an over shield, or protected by a barricade? I'd have to say no. That's my opinion at least. If the changes to well and barricade are true, then it will be a speed reload perk more in line with how the hunters dodge reload works. It would be nice if the Hunter dodge would help the team in some way.
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I added an edit to my post. :) I highly doubt Bungie will listen, but compromises can still be made. Like make instant reload for Lunas only work for an empowering rift, not Well or healing. There is no risk when there is an overshield, but there is one if you're a sitting duck in an empowering rift. Or revert rally barricade to what it use to be, where you had to duck to reload. Remember those days? 😂 We all looked like we were teabagging in place. Maybe like you said, make them work for a titan and warlock like on a hunter where it only affects the individual. Just happy Weapons of Light is coming back, there is a silver lining.
