You also have to play comp to get the best frustrated experience in Destiny. :)

I think there's a huge element of uncertainty with reaching Fabled that people have an issue with. Points going down...and down, and down, and down really make these quests feel impossible sometimes. That being said, I think that's also what makes them so satisfying. Don't get me wrong, I've twisted my fare share of controls in half screaming, "Why would they f-ing do this? F-you Bungie. F-youuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!" Yep. Done that. But no achievement in the game has been as rewarding as succeeding in Comp, reaching Fabled, and getting those weapons. And that's because it wasn't easy. Wendigo? Nope. Revoker? Nope. Hush? lol nope. If you want the effect of these weapons, there are plenty of other options from easier sources. Others in the forums have pointed this out. If you want weapons that you really earn, you need to hit Fabled. Check out videos by True Vanguard and Fallout Plays if you need help getting better at Comp. They do a good job of detailing strategies that work. I'm sure others have recommendations as well. Best of luck. Also: you can do it:)

farming Escalation Protocol [b][i][u]MUST[/u][/i][/b] have 🕷️™ & ⛰️🔝™

Don't worry, after the Rally Barricade and Lunafaction nerf in October, Mountain top won't be a weapon that is used as much in Pve.

Mfw they weren't intended to be the best PvE weapon, their perks are made around PvP but turns out they also worked really well in PvE too

First of all its bin this way about the best pvp weapens since the beginning of destiny , vex mythoclas, grasp of malock, mida, etc etc.. its only fair the get both side of the game in to eachother playlist.. Second just looked up you’re game history you didnt even try to play compettive. Getting to fable trust me doenst req. Beating the most sweaty players its all ppl just like you.. anything below 3500 is below arvg player base.. nothing wrong with that.. so just go and try before complaining because you dont feel like it.

They need to get back to the Raid being the place to get pinnacle weapons or just separate the PVP nonsense out all together. I can't stand the best weapons in the game are comp playlist crap. I don't play Destiny for PVP nonsense I have no interest in leader boards, K/D or any of that other nonsense I want story, lore and good Raids and the last one destiny sorely lacks. COS, SoTp the raid layers are lackluster so is the exotics from all those activities. They also need to go back to raid perks on raid weapons and armor, Destiny 1 style raids just need to return period.

Just do what I did,try for months,give up,try again,give up,get super stoned and wake up in the morning wondering how the hell you got it.

Just use militias birthright and riskrunner if you cant get em 👍🏻

Don't believe the hype. Mountaintop and Recluse are the "best" PVE weapons for one very NARROW situation: During the damage-phase of a raid boss fight....when you have your entire raid team standing in a Well of Radiance....bolstered by either Lunafaction Boots or a Rally Barricade..... ....and trying to dump as much damage into that boss during that narrow window in time as you can. That weapon combo is not very good for much else in PVE I have neither weapon....and I've one-phased every raid boss in the game without them. All you need to do is understand that spike grenade launchers are at the top of the meta right now. ....and MOUTAINTOP is only useful in PVE because its a kinetic grenade launcher. Which allows you to carry TWO instead of one. If you want to carry a second one, there are other options besides MT.

Mountaintop, sure, it’s good .. But recluse is easily substituted by riskrunner. Contrary to what many people think, recluse is actually good in crucible .. And if you want a good PVE grenade launcher then just use a swarm of the raven instead, of anything with spike grenades honestly That’s just my opinion

comp is nowhere near as sweaty as iron banner. lol

They're [i][b][u] ACCIDENTALLY[/u][/b][/i] good PvE. People either don't think about it deep enough or just refuse to realize it. Mountain Top was incidentally good just because of all the previous passive buffs to Grenade Launchers in PvE. Sure, the Pinnacle perk is just simply [i]good[/i]. But if Grenade Launchers were literally in the year 1 state, then it'd be just alright. Same with anything else with Spike Grenades (I'm looking at you, (my god rolled) Swarm). Recluse is arguably [u]one of the last[/u] remaining SMGs that can [i]actually[/i] be used usefully in PvE. The Pinnacle perk on Recluse is [b]literally[/b] the only thing that makes it so good, simply because of how it procs. Take Master of Arms away and it's just an alright SMG, in [b]BOTH[/b] PvE [i]and[/i] PvP. Master of Arms itself was designed with the knowledge in mind that SMGs aren't really good currently and/or used much currently. The Recluse single handedly changed that, for both sides of the game. It is a bunch of different factors, [i]over time[/i], that made these weapons what they are currently. I'll put good money that come Shadowkeep they'll both get nerfed, or at least the Mountain Top gets nerfed (probably by a blanket Spike Grenade nerf). I'd be fine with Recluse staying like it is. It sucks these two guns require you to play Crucible to obtain, but this late in Year 2 it's almost a moot point. If I were OP, I'd just try and grab Mountain Top after this weekly reset and wait until Shadowkeep to see what happens with Recluse. Here's the thing: [i]We don't know the next seasons Pinnacle weapons.[/i] Because of that, combined with not knowing what's actually gonna shine after the next sandbox update, we [b]might[/b] end up getting a pretty good Pinnacle PvE gun, [i]from PvE[/i]. Here's to hoping. Just my two cents. 😶

The guns are just good at killing stuff, PVE and PVP. I think its a good thing, it takes PVE only players out of their comfort zone to try and earn guns in PVP. It gives them more of their monies worth from their game purchase. The guns are not 100% needed either, you can work around them. Do you want any PVP tips?

Pvp players have to do pve for good pvp weapons

I don't think the are he best PvE weapons overall for every activity, just top tier, there are alternatives that will do better in other areas. I'd like to see the perks carry over to some PvE weapons though, it's the shame the perks are behind PvP more than anything in my opinion.

I solo'ed que for all the pvp pinnacle weapons. I do everything except raids(too time consuming when we're all novices) Point being, it isn't that hard..... want them? go get em. Don't see me crying over not getting raid weapons. Personally, I think pinnacle weapons are taking away from the rng aspect of the game. Why grind weapons when you can get a solid pinnacle weapon that acts like a weakened exotic?

I distinctly remember a time when the Raid Exotic was the most powerful weapon in PvP and most PvP players whined nonstop until it got nerfed a week later. So I find it rather hypocritical that, nowadays, those same players see PvE players asking why the best PvE weapons come from the hardest PvP content and they just say “get good.” Bungie needs to bring back original Insta-melt Mythoclast and make it only come from a flawless raid completion and we’ll see how the PvP community as a whole handles it. Can’t wait to melt everyone in 0.67 seconds (0.5 seconds after 1 kill) with a stupidly easy to handle glorified auto rifle with no range drop off. And when people complain I’ll just say “get good.” Just to be clear, I am not advocating for the nerf of these weapons. I am advocating for weapons that are on par with these (at least in PvE) to be added to a PvE source.

How many times am I going to see this post? Quests will ALWAYS be easier than anything tied to RNG. You have a set task and when it is completed you are 100% guaranteed the weapon with a static roll. Not one hint of RNG involved. The task may be long and/or hard but it is something you can work towards. When you finish it is rewarding because you had a foreseeable goal and grinded towards it. PvE literally all of this goes out the window when it comes to the PvP meta weapons. 100% RNG, no task to work towards, doesn’t feel rewarding, and you waste a bonechilling amount of time farming for a gun [b]without even getting a drop[/b] much less even a good or god roll. Let me tell you a story. You want to know how long it took me to get the curated twilight oath which is objectively the best pvp sniper? 11 months. I did the dreaming city milestones and missions almost every single week on all my characters. Squeezed out as many drop chances per week as I could possibly manage and it still took me a YEAR before I got it this week as the NEXT YEARLY EXPANSION is right around the corner. That is the worst of mine but it also took me probably 20-30 hours of farming the hollowed lair before I got the mindbenders on my titan which isn’t even that special. I have melted my brain away in countless 2-6 hour reckoning farm sessions and the best spare rations I have is an 8/10 at best. I had done 30 last wish runs and cheesed the chest a handful of times before I got a snapshot supremacy. It took me a month and a half to grind to 5500 last season for not forgotten. That is a quest done right. It is a long and hard task with a lot of grind and commitment required but there is an end goal. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. If you and your team improve and you win more, you get the gun sooner. And when you do it is extremely rewarding, seeing all that time and effort pay off with excitement of the gun in your hands. When I got curated twilight oath it didn’t feel rewarding. I wasn’t too overly excited or happy to finally have the gun I wanted. The emotion I felt above all? Relief. Never needing to do a god forsaken blind well or ascendant challenge or story mission just to get a tigerspite ever again. Something is wrong when players are more relieved to not have to play a certain part of the game anymore than excited about getting a gun they wanted. That is what happens when you are dealing with RNG. Like I said, quests will always be better.

It’s pretty simple if you don’t want to put in the effort, you don’t deserve the weapon

Yeah it’s pretty dumb but hey they’re gonna change comp and I think add a solo playlist so you won’t get fourstack gangbanged like you would rn. It’s a -blam!- but honestly it’s worth it. And if you absolutely do not want to touch PvP, a loadout I’d recommend would be bast furnace with outlaw kill clip and loaded question. With fusions being so damn good rn you can absolutely get away with using loaded question to chunk majors like mountaintop would. Or even outbreak, loaded, and swarm. That way you still have a solid primary for waveclear and dps at the same time. Recluse is a lot of fun thought and totally worth trying to get since there’s no quest associated with it. Mountaintop might fall off quite a bit since well and rally are getting nerfed so dw too much about that one

You should be mad that the PvE pinnacles are nothing to write home about. Bungie needs to make those better. It is reasonable because they're pinnacle PvP weapons. You need to play Crucible. They just so happened to be some of the best guns