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9/1/2019 3:54:21 AM
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From a Console Player to PC Players, Especially Former Console Players

I know that I'll get a lot of hate for what I'm about to say, but I also know I can't be the only one who feels this way. When it was announced 2+ years ago that Destiny 2 was going to be available on PC, I was immediately worried, because I knew that many of the online buddies I had made over the years playing Destiny 1 would switch over to PC. My fears were justified, as many of them did. In the early days of Destiny 2 I bounced around from Clan to Clan, trying to find the right group of players that I felt comfortable with. I got lucky, I found that group. Slain By The Architects has an excellent core group of players. If you play on PS4, and are looking for great group, I would recommend looking them up. Moving on to the pressing issue of concern. In June or so, when Bungie announced they were ending their partnership with Activision, nearly everyone was excited for what that meant for the future. Then came the announcement that Cross-Save was coming. I knew immediately what that meant, that the steady drum beat of, "switch to PC, it's so much better there" and "I switched to PC, it's so much better", would start up again with a vengeance. I have never been a PC player, I've given PC a chance on multiple occasions with friends who have access to proper gaming PCs, with Mouse and Key Board, which no matter how much time I put in, I never became proficient at, just doesn't become natural feeling for me, and also given a chance with controller. To me, I prefer the experience on my console, PS4. I've watched other people play Destiny 2 on PC, and the differences, while definitely present, to me, are not so great that I understand why so many people leave where they started. There are many of us who are frustrated by and tired of hearing about people switching to PC and raving about how great it is. Good for you all. Why do you feel the need to push your switch on the rest of us. Many of us don't care, we have no intention of making the switch. Doesn't seem to matter where I go, watching videos about Shadowkeep on YouTube, reading about various topics on this site, or Reddit, watching streamers on Twitch, etc, inevitably, at some point, there has to be the oh so maddening shout out, "PC is great, I switched, it's where I'll be making my content from now on, or it's where I'll be starting over", blah blah blah blah blah. On one hand, I'm happy that PC main players were given the opportunity to play, that with PC being brought into the mix, it allowed the overall player base to expand. On the other hand, myself and many other console players, there have been a lot of moments, and they are becoming more numerous as time goes on, that we wish PC wouldn't have been brought into the mix, period. When even Bungie employees feel that need to give special shout-out's to PC players and those who "made the switch", it's become a sick joke. Console players are not a second class of gamers. We are not in need of being led to an imagined promise land. Stop mentioning PC greatness all the time, stop talking about having made the switch. So many of the rest of us don't give a shit, and it's become a sad joke at this point. Why can't everyone enjoy playing on the medium they enjoy, without living in a constant state of waiting for the other shoe to dropped on us at every opportunity. There doesn't need to be a mention of PC specifically in nearly every video, nearly every post, nearly every article. There does not need to be the constant plug in push to make console players feel like we are lesser than, that we are missing out on something so vastly different. I know for many PC players whether from the start or those that switched, it's not what you intend when you bring up your PC experience, you aren't trying to drag down on console players, or make us feel like a lesser subset. I know that is not what most intend. But the thing is, for many of us, myself included, that has become what it is more and more feeling like is being done. It starts to wear down many of us, make us feel like we don't equally matter. PC is great, for those that love PC. Not all of us do though. There are those that no matter how much time we put in, it never became second nature, especially with Mouse and Keyboard, but for many of us, even with a controller. There are those of us that didn't grow up playing games on PC, that didn't have a circle of friends who all played on PC. PC is often an expensive gaming medium, an expense that many of us can't afford. I know many won't understand, but I know I'm not alone in coming to feel the way I do. I wish PC players could respect that what gaming medium they are playing on doesn't need to constantly be brought up. Unless you're looking for a group of other players to play with, it really doesn't constantly need to be vocalized.

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  • As a console player, I understand, but can't relate, there's a reason pc players talk about it so much, and as a few other comments said, the reason that you don't play pc is completely void of meaning, you can use a controller on pc, and before you go "oh, well I get a complete disadvantage," if I look at your account real quick, it says you have never even touched comp this season and you only play on your warlock, expand your horizons and maybe you'll have a bit more fun. P.S. your clan is cool and I fought against one of them during iron banner and it was fun

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  • [quote]Console players are not a second class of gamers.[/quote] lol. Sure you are ;p

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  • I never got the ‘PC is too expensive’ argument. If you have foresight and knowledge, it is such a weak one. 1st of all, you can build a decent, affordable gaming PC that is cheaper than console even if you’re not an expert (just research a bit). 2nd of all, you can get many more games for free on PC, which also has good mod support, and you don’t have to pay extra to play online. 3rd of all, aside from PS+ & Xbox Live, the many, many scams from companies like Bungie means that in the long run, you actually lose more money on console (consider that you have to pay over $1000 if you just wanted to play D1 & D2 alone on console from launch (and that’s without spending money on eververse)). For the reasons above, I will likely skip the new generation of consoles and migrate to PC, especially with Sony’s censorship going wild and Xbox’s war on free speech. I don’t want to pay for virtual nannies that can steal my purchases whenever they’d like with no refunds if they disagree with a word I said. I’ll probably still use a controller though because I’m just used to them, but it would feel nice having a higher quality machine with better FPS and mod support without a nanny state. I just hope games’ input commands can adapt to gamepad mode.

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    • Cross-save allows playing anywhere, right? PC allows using controller. Many GPUs and modern TVs have similar "emergency induction ports", so you can plug your PC to your TV or your console to your monitor just fine. TV input lag may affect fast-paced (60+FPS) on PC, but that's it. Destiny, being multiplatform title, works relatively fine on mid-range PC. You can even adjust hardware to have console FoV and FPS if you like. This is not sarcasm - I built one quite similar PC for my relatives. They didn't asked exactly that, but their budget allowed only such hardware. And budget was actually lower than buying new console. Not much, but lower. Even more so, because I donated some parts. Yes, Cross-save is not cross-play,, which is sad. But you know what is also sad? Consoles do not allow usage of mouse and keyboard. And after my service I can't use gamepads. So I skipped all great console titles since Xbox era.

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    • I found the Woodstock of gaming.

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    • Broke it up into spoilers to not be a complete wall for you. [spoiler]1) You're getting a negative reaction because you made a mind bogglingly repetitive post about not wanting to play on PC[/spoiler] [spoiler]2) More often than not I'm sure if asked, people would say they speak to how -blam!-ing amazing PC is because a) It is. Or b) Because they want to encourage people to try playing the game on a more enjoyable platform (I might have too much faith in people)[/spoiler] [spoiler]3) Fewer people actually care about your input device than you try to convince yourself. If you feel more comfortable on controller, nobody cares. All power to you.[/spoiler] [spoiler]4) You can't honestly try to act surprised that you get ridiculed when you basically said "I wish an entire gaming platform were excluded from being able to enjoy my game" (<-- Hey notice how I did that thing you did a couple times? You know? [i]Grasping at straws?[/i])[/spoiler] [spoiler]5) I don't know what posts or videos you're watching, but I hardly ever see any mention of PC specific topics of Destiny. Maybe the support section in TWAB (don't ban me Deej), and when Aztecross is displaying the difference in weapon performance across platforms.[/spoiler] [spoiler]6) You legitimately can't sit here and say "I don't give a shit/-blam!-/damn/rat's ass, etc" about something when you literally made an entire post that looked like a 4th grade essay. That's now how that works.[/spoiler] [spoiler]7) People respect the medium someone plays on. They don't respect the people who play on that medium. Because some of them are like [i]you[/i]. There's a reason the phrase "console peasant" is used in a mocking way.[/spoiler] [spoiler]8) -blam!-ing peasant.[/spoiler]

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    • Anyone who has played on a good pc never would go back to console. As cheap as pcs are now to build just do it and move on.

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    • this gave me a nosebleed.

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    • 작성자: michael 9/1/2019 7:07:23 AM
      ...You know the pc port has great support for controller right? Although I would encourage any new pc player to bite the bullet and learn mnk, which I did and it was frustrating for the first week or two but ended up fine, the option to just stay in your comfort zone is right there.

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      • What is this, your dissertation for a Ph D in useless ramblings?

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        • Very few people play on PC. 82% still play on console. PC is just for sweaty streamers and world first dorks.

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          • Bungie advertises cross save so more people would switch to pc, meaning more people would purchase additional copies of the game, artificially inflating their sales

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            • Yeah im not switching to PC. Last game I played on PC was C&C Tiberian Sun.

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              • 작성자: TheArtist 9/1/2019 12:41:01 PM
                Oh, I understand. 1. There is no "PC Master Race" nonsense going on in this community. So the only person who is making you feel "less than" right now is yourself. 2. As someone who plays on all the platforms (thank you cross-save). The notion that the PC version of the game is BETTER than the console version is simply a statement of objective fact. Unlike many cross-platform games, Destiny 2 on PC was not a port-over of the console version of the game, but was instead a version that was built from the ground up to take advantage of the additional capability that gaming on PC offers. So when PC players say that the game feels faster and more fluid than the console versions...they aren't saying this to make you feel bad. They're saying it because its true. When they say that the weapons perform more like they did in Destiny 1 than the console version of Destiny 2? They're saying it because its true. 3. [i][b]Playing Destiny on console has many advantages to playing on PC. [/b] [/i] a. If you aren't used to seeing games with very high framerates, 30 fps is not a problem. To the extent that it is not tied to GAME REFRESH RATES (tick rate), higer framerates are not intrisincally better (that is PC elitism). Also most players are not fast enough or skilled enough to appreciate the 16 ms difference in resolution in in-game events between a server refress of 30Hz versus 60 Hz. b. The Consoles will always have the larger player base, and the greater ease of matchmaking. The reason why PC players are cheering cross-save and the game going FTP is that they are HOPING that it will revitalize that platforms **dreadfully** low player numbers.....and the deterioration in play experience that often occurs as a result (One day I got stuck playing a version of the Pyramidion strike on PC, that was pratically unplayable, because I was matched to someone who was in East Asia (from the US Midwest)...and the lag and rubberbanding was to the point of the absurd.) c. Cost and convenience. As someone who has gamed on PC for years before coming back to console for this generation....there is very little that a PC can do that a current generation console can't. Basically----unless you want nosebleed high refresh rates (anything above server tick rates is wasted)----or want to game in 4K on ultra setting..... ....Your console is the equal of a gaming PC. ....and very few players have the speed and reaction time to have the small differences have a significant impact on their experience. No matter what they say.

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                • I know exactly what you mean. I'm often questioned by friends about why I play on console. They think that because they like PC, everyone should. It's also obnoxious when PC players come to console and complain about recoil. No, recoil is fine on console. Your aim just sucks because your used to having none.

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                • Lmao I read this thinking their was going to be a point to it all.

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                  • This was the console lord of all console lord posts. So much resentment. Its fine, Consoles will take a backseat once bungo sees how much steam users spend on micro transactions and flood the player bases.

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                  • You can play on whatever you want sure. I mainly use and recommend PC because consoles are such anti-consumer trash with paygates and subpar machinery for their price.

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