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How about this.. What makes Shoulder Charge good? Insurmountable skull fort giving you the melee charge back. Handheld supernova exotic gives you back the grenade sometimes for free. As well as damage resistance. Why would throwing knife be too strong. Instant cast and ease of access. Make an exotic, that is like maybe a Robotic arm that allows for the throwing knife to be charged, when fully charged it grants increased precision damage and allows for one shot. Call the perk Mechanized Juggler, since it would likely be used with the Knife Juggler perk in bottom tree goldy. It would need to be a precision bonus only to avoid cheesy body shot throwing knife into gunshot clean ups, while also rewarding precision. Maybe on precision kill, since you’d get knife back, for 3 secs the next knife charge would charge faster, allowing for flashy plays. Keep in mind, the other exotics grant other perks as well, healing on skullfort and damage resistance on the nova one I can’t think of. No damage resistance or healing, knife would require a charge time and only buff precision damage. I think that would be a pretty neat exotic, that requires you to really double down on that specific play style. Just a thought.

My problem is the warlock melee. I killed two full health guardians with handheld supernova at the same time. It's ridiculous. You hardly even need to aim.

You have a point. I have often thought that throwing a knife, with a Guardian's strength mind you, into something's face should be devastating, if not fatal. I mean, a Shoulder charge can kill, and a handheld supernova can kill. So there should be one thing, on one Tree at least, that a Hunter can do that is instant death.

I am a Titan main and not a fan of Hunters, but I agree that a well placed knife to the skull should be a OHK.

I remember tossing knives and killing players from 30 meters away in D1 lol nice hit box

Hunter main btw 1. A lot of people use this as "reason" that hunters should get an OHK ability. You ask me, giving every class an obligatory one shotting ability is not what balance is. There's dozens of ways that abilities can be useful without killing in a single use. 2. Titans don't have a ranged melee OHK ability, and the consistency of the warlocks is... laughable. I wouldn't use shoulder charge or handheld supernova as an excuse that hunters should just have a OHK ability because reasons. 3. Titans have the same melee ability for PvP 3 times, it's very effective against potatoes, and because they have one doesn't mean you deserve one either. That's like asking for hunters to have a rift ability because warlocks have one, or like a titan asking for a better PvP combat jump because hunter jump is amazing. Throwing knifes hitbox is deceptively MASSIVE, any chest hit is an instant headshot, and the knife will actually curve to a crit spot. considering I can get a knife back on a crit on headshots, it's not a balanced idea or good one at all. I agree that the throwing knife is super underwhelming, it should at least hit for 170 on a crit, but one shotting is ludicrous.

What’s the point of a class system then? Using shoulder charge is way more riskier than tossing a knife.

[quote]I have seen several threads asking for hunter knives to be OHK, only to be immediately spammed by titans saying it would be overpowered. Lets clarify something first, I don't want all knives to OHK I just want the knife on sharpshooter to be a OHK on a headshot. Now, lets look at why it is not unreasonable. 1: hunters are the only class without OHK ability potential 2: warlock and titan already have the possibility for ranged one shot abilities 3: titans have a total of 4 abilities that can one shot. So, tell me (with whole sentences and arguments that make some sort of sense) why it is so unreasonable for hunters to have a single OHK ability on a perk tree that is otherwise completely obsolete. EDIT 1: how about it's tuned so it can kill depending on resilience value of the target. for instance, if you hit a full health person with low resilience in the head it kills them, if they have high resilience they just go to low health. EDIT 2: I would also be okay with the uppercut (at least the base of it) being a OHK, as it requires the same (if not more) thresholds as shoulder charge.[/quote] It's simple really, Bungie favors dresses and meatheads, hunters get no love WE MISS YOU CAYDE!

[quote]hunters are the only class without OHK ability potential.[/quote] Liars handshake?

Instead of adding more OHKOs to the game, how about we remove some ? Like does anybody actually like getting insta-killed ? Doesn't the frustration of getting one-shot outweighs the satisfaction of landing one ? I guess snipers are okay, but melee abilities ? AoE heavy weapons ? Supers ? All these things combined with stupid respawn locations ruin crucible for me.

Because in real life a throwing knife to the face or head would not be a kill. Even if you got it right in the eye blade first, it is very unlikely that it would be instant death. We all know that the game is hyper realistic and the mechanics are based on hard science so it just wouldn’t make any sense at all.

Not to mention the broken titan super that can kill you on both sides of the map in the same super

Titans have to get IN YOUR FACE. Another butthurt hunter that can't compete even though they have the best tool set. Gfto

It would become more of a cheesefest than it already is. I want less things being a ohk, not more. Throwing knives also have no prep. Shoulder charge = sprint supernova = charge Throwing knife = melee button edit: Hunters are also the only ones with an evade, excluding the dash on 1/9 warlock subclasses Hunters don't have a ohk and are still the best pvp class

It's the requirement for one shotting. For titans it's either an ability with a start up, finishing animation, and an ability charge or use an exotic that amplifies damage, of which is rare to make good use of. It also can't be used instantaneously. With the Sprint requirement, it prevents you from using it mid combat unless you drop your weapons and run for dear life. You have to engage every encounter with your arms folded to make use of it otherwise you can't even use it. Handheld super nova is better on paper than shoulder charge is because of some very key factors, range, damage and radius. Capable of killing multiple people in one ability. Multi kills are rare, but still possible. You are incredibly vulnerable while holding it so you have to eventually put it down. Hunter throwing knives have no start up animation but a clear ending animation. Somebody rushing you, just aim and push a button. If it connected with the head you would be dead. Get a surprise attack on you, hippity hop, aim and throw. Depending on how accurate...dead. Guy running straight at you, knife after aiming and dead. Throw knife get a good headshot kill, look at somebody else then try it again. Miss your melee, just get an enemy on radar and dodge using gamblers dodge, only takes 26 or so seconds. In Destiny 1 for a short time, throwing knives had the ability to kill players with a special burn effect after getting a headshot. You would inevitably die unless you had a high enough armor level to live. Unsurprisingly, all the people that were good at the game could easily take advantage of this and made every encounter in crucible a living nightmare. Shoulder charge and handheld super nova will always be annoying, but the restriction they have is far more limiting in our fast paced environment than people give them credit for. There's a lot of issues throwing knife one shot bringing and that's why it was patched so quickly in d1 and hasn't been the same since then. There's a careful balance to be looking at in regards to that ability and bungie knows better now. When they nerfed shoulder charge in year 1 of d2 to make its lunge only work when within range and it wouldn't send you anywhere otherwise, they learned just how important it is to be careful. Shoulder charge can't live without it's power and it showed when nobody used it for anything but A movement ability. I think a buff is certainly something throwing knives can get, but a ohk would be a mistake.

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