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작성자: NicoNekomancer
8/17/2019 8:55:12 PM
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My friend, please start playing a warlock and see how you fare, for it will be far worse than you can imagine. Hunters are the best class to run for pvp and pve (ill get into that in a sec) for they outmatch both titans and warlocks depending on what you are doing and depending on if you count what is broken atm.
PVP, now this is were things get fun. ATM bottom tree striker is as op as spectral blades was, and as such we can negate both times they have been op and move on. For a pure super perspective in pvp hunters by far have the best abilities outmatching each and every super with really any they use. Now the nades are lacking, sure, but not meles. In a 1v1 battle against a warlock you will win doing mele only for warlocks have a slower mele time. The other abilities themselves are also great, and doge gives you something no other class gets, Invincibility frames.
PVE. You need a hunter for raids and thats that. They have the highest damaging super in the game and are the go to strat for one of the hardest raids in the game due to sheer power. tether is also very important for addclear making the class as needed as a warlock, with well always outshining. Hunters in this aspect outshine titans as you dont need a titan for any raid now. Spectral has its own hammer strike equivalent.
All in all the order goes this (as does the player base) Hunters>titans>warlocks
no matter how you look at it thats how it will always be
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작성자: Zer0Warri0r 8/18/2019 12:01:36 AMYou're an idiot if you think hunters are the best class in the game and think they are required for a raid. pvp ill give you that warlock only have one viable sub class and while its really good its only one while the other classes especially titan are sooo much better in pvp (btw dodge does not have i frames at all that was patched out as far back as d1). In pve WoR is a necessity for any raid you dont see people asking for classes and saying "oh I guess we dont need a warlock since we have a hunter" you never hear that, hunters and titans normally switch to warlock when there is an absence of a warlock every time without fail. Tether is also only there to spawn orbs for what class? thats right for your well warlocks. Classes that buff or debuff targets are always the better option in pve situations and while flawless execution is an equivalent to hammer strike, hammer strike is far easier to pull off. This by no means makes titans better than hunter for pve but I just thought I should address that point. WoR has a lot more utility than any other class in the game its absurd. You can heal anyone and everyone at a distance granted to use your nade and when they pick it up it reduce your cds by half. Well is obv its a flat 35% buff and melee grants another damage buff that stacks with well. Warlocks are also the fastest on foot class in the game with trans steps and light weight weapons and they get even faster with swords and worldline. I think hunters are a good well rounded class they do well in pvp and pve however, the worst titan is better than the worst hunter in pvp and the worst warlock is better than the worst hunter in pve. Edit: I dont think any of the classes are underpowered however, titans could stand to get some pve abilities other than hammer strike and im excited to see weapons of light.
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first off doge does give iframes on console and using bottom tree arcstaff it does so on both platforms. on terms of well its obvious that its needed (good teams just use rifts the whole time) but that does not mean hunters are under powered. On terms of add clear, orb gen, and dps hunters win over any other class in pve (which btw the orb gen is for celestial for dps but sure we can say its for well) on terms of pvp hunters simply are the best class. You can take in account for many things for statistics. the main one is the overall percentage of players that are hunters in pvp (over 50% more than titans from my in game stats). Currently they are the most popular class by far in pvp in terms of use and in kd except for striker atm, but we can cancel this striker stuff with now spectral used to be. i think that the class should stay where it is and the other classes should get buffed to an equal point
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In pve everyone uses well if you use rift you're only doing it to challenge yourself. I dont know a single great team that doesnt use wells. If they dont use well they are handicapping themselves ie actually a bad team. you clearly didnt read my post entirely as I said I dont think any class in underpowered and that titans could use some pve utility but nothing too big. Also hunters are great for pvp but titans have way more tools than hunters that allow them to do better with far less skill. titans have the best pvp exotic oem, they are the only class with anti super nades. They have an exotic that gives them two anti super nades. They have an exotic that makes they already one shot melee also one shot supers if the titan is air borne. barrier basically grants free heavy if you dont have a nade or arent close enough to rush them and even if you rush them it puts you in a poor position. on console I can see double jump being better but on pc it is far different.
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its better to run without well and use boop cannon with nova bomb and then use rifts from there as the boop will overpower what a well can do (granted you only use void damage) and i did read your post, i just disagree that any class isnt under powered. i can give a few examples but in short the classes need to be balanced
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작성자: Zer0Warri0r 8/18/2019 12:38:26 AMThats really stupid and limiting since the best damage weapons arent void lol. Why not well, empower, melting, everyone shoot a 150 rpm nade launcher with spike it does way more damage over the long term. tractor and nova is a great solo player build for doing missions and whatnot but even then I can still use well/lunas with mtop+anarchy and empower for 3.6 mil damage solo.
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get the boop in and use Orewing's Maul and swarm of the raven (both with spike nades) the reason for no well or empowering is because that 50% from the boop overpowers them. this also allows any lock to get in extra dps, something they wouldnt get with well.
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warlocks are a decent* class with the highest skill potential. the acceleration isnt the best, titans win that one, the supers are really meh except for pve (well) and top tree stormcaller. and the class ability takes so much time to put down that you cant use it reliably in a gun fight unless you run for cover, where you will be killed by a shotgun or fusion.
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I exclude dawnblade as its a super (plus nova warp going backwards blinking is faster) for if you take in account a classes actual use in the game you wont have that speed all the time. and yes, you can place rifts behind cover, but every time i see a lock do that i just rush in for a mele kill Its not as good as people think it is which is why i almost never see myself using it unless i want to get an arc soul, which isnt even often as the super isnt that great to begin with.
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titans are not faster than warlocks running trans steps and a light weight weapon which btw the best weapon combo is mtop and recluse which are both light weight weapons. not to mention the use of swords and on top of that worldline skating. Also bottom tree dawnblade is one of the best supers in pvp.
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bottom tree dawnblade is super easy to kill and as such sucks and on terms of who is faster, well, you are very much wrong there is a reason why titan skating is a thing over warlock skating, and thats because titans are faster.
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dawnblade doesnt have as much resistance but is very fast and evasive so they are hard to kill and dawnblade also get energy back on kill with hard tracking projectiles its one of the best supers for pvp in the game. idk how long its been since you played the game but titan skating got changed and is as fast as normal warlock skating however, throw trans steps and light weight weapons into the mix and warlocks are faster unless you're an idiot that uses strafe glide. Also all speedrunners use warlock bc of worldline skating that is the fastest method of travel in the game including sparrows so idk what youre talking about.
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dawnblade is easy to kill if you do one simple thing. stand under them thats it. it is in no way one of the best for pvp, id say its in the middle. and i know titan skating got nerfed, but its still the best for speed. the reason speed runners use locks is for dawnblade as its the fastest way to move in the game, but for actual speed, you know, the speed the class has without the use of glitches and supers, the winner is and always will be titans
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We cant have a foot race since you're a console player but I assure you do any research warlocks are the fastest on foot class in the game hands down even without glitches. Titans skating is so nerfed its barley an increase in speed anymore.
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작성자: Zer0Warri0r 8/18/2019 12:28:10 AMwhen I say on foot I mean without sparrows to clarify I realize now you arent that smart. Warlock skating is far faster than titan skating. Do you know what warlock skating is? Do you use strafe glide?
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i know what warlock skating is and i dont use strafe glide for i do the console equivalent, and no shit you mean without sparrows. when i say on foot i mean without supers just to clarify because i realize now that you dont know shit warlock skating, fun fact, only works on inclines and as such, is going to be slower overall when someone usually compares something in the game they look at it as a whole and as such would see that titan skating will allow you to cover more ground in the game rather than just in one use case
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작성자: Zer0Warri0r 8/18/2019 12:42:45 AMwhat do you mean only works on inclines? you just tap jump and double tap jump with you reach the apex of your first jump off the ground and burst jumps you forward now I know you really dont know what you're talking about. link is for your learning experience. "you dont know shit btw warlock skating only works on inclines" wow two lies one post, what an epic gamer moment.
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im the dumbass yet you use horrible optimized dps strats that havent been used since before well was introduced. I use the terms the community uses not just make up shit. Finally your raid report is laughable compared to mine you dont have the experience to tell me whats viable for dps. https://raid.report/pc/4611686018476229869
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compared to you i see someone who thinks they know shit, yet calls normal movement for a lock skating because gladd calls it that and uses just weapon damage (which was off) to compare for damage. because fun fact, a boop cannon overpowers well that why you dont need it and why you can just use rifts. and besides, why run the raid when they are easy and you already have what you want.
