Tl:dr [spoiler]Did we, the community, the REAL players (not the streamers or Bungie employees) really spend $80/year and hundreds of hours of our lives to feel less powerful every 2 weeks, sitting around in forums railing against one another to avoid Bungie's nerf target? I wouldn't have paid for this game at all if I'd known I'd grind this long and get less effective at killing bad guys the longer I play and then driven to hate my fellow players because they didn't get nerfed today, I did, and was told I deserved to feel less powerful after all I've done in this game.[/spoiler] This should be my last forum post for a while so I'm gonna make it about this in general (since Bungie will never actually respond to anything I say (or most of us)). There is a psychological consistency in video games that the more you play, the more powerful you get. You can view this phenomenon in every game. Soemtimes it's just getting better through experience, but most of the time, it's the game opening up in its endgame and letting players see just how absurdly powerful they get. These games compensate for this with increasingly difficult events that challenge the player while previously difficult events feel like a cake walk. You can see this in nearly every game. You cannot see it in Destiny 2. You see, when you become that powerful in Destiny 2, the thing Bungie does is remove the thing that made you that powerful. In a vacuum it seems like a good idea, right? However, we (non streamer, casual people) deal with a huge psychological inconsistency that never sits well with anybody and everybody actively hates. We just played this game for hundreds of hours and have spent (on average) $60-$80 per year and we somehow continuously become LESS powerful. That's like showing up to work every day for 2 years and grinding it out and then getting a pay cut because you were making too much money too consistently. It doesn't make any sense. We SHOULD be OP as hell after hundreds, and especially after thousands, of hours of game play. We grinded for Whisper and it's just a regular sniper now. We grinded a story and 3 DLC for our final 3 supers and many of them (across all classes) have been or will certainly soon be nerfed into uselessness. We grinded raids for armor only to see them get left behind literally immediately upon the next DLC's launch. Hell, we're grinding for solstice gear and it's going to be entirely irrelevant in 2 months. I believe this is why the longer people play this game, the less they like it. If you play it just until you complete everything once, it's a fun game. You get powerful, you beat stuff, and that's that. However, the majority of the remaining player base play this game constantly and our reward is a game developer who actively takes the things we've spent hundreds of hours earning and making them useless after a couple of months. Bungie, I did not fork out $80/year and hundreds of hours of my life to feel powerful for 3 months at a time. I certainly did not purchase a game in order to look forward to feeling weaker every few weeks. See, because we all hate being nerfed, this forum and community in general is basically a bunch of people strongly divided because none of us want Bungie's target on our backs. It took me a few days of talking to people here to figure that out, but I'm convinced that's the case. A bunch of otherwise reasonable people don't want to be next in line for the Bungie nerf train, so they throw each other under the bus to convince everybody that every other thing is broken. Well isn't broken. Whisper wasn't broken. Liar's Handshake + the shotgun isn't broken. They're endgame combinations that we earned through patience and meticulous game play. We played this game for hundreds, sometimes thousands of hours. We SHOULD be wrecking everything. The answer should be harder difficulties. Why don't we have a 750 mode for all 6 raids? Why don't we have a 750 light option for heroic strikes? Doesn't matter if you have Well and Lunafaction boots or whisper if you're not hitting bosses with a 50 light level advantage (it's scales to 50 max over right?). Calus doesn't go down that easy if his recommended light is 760. Our supers should be basically God mode. All of them. All 27 trees across all 3 classes. When someone pops one, the response should be "oh crap, RUN!" if I'm running a 500 light level activity, I'm 250 light levels above that recommended level. I SHOULD be walking through it blindfolded. When we find and complete hidden quests for rare, one of a kind, "can't get it from xur or a random drop" exotic, it SHOULD inspire fear and make endgame activities easier. THAT'S WHY WE GRIND THIS GAME FRIENDOS. To get the stuff that makes the hard stuff easier. Bungie's response should be to make stuff harder. Every raid should have a hard mode and the recommended light should always be the level cap. Same with any other repetitive activity from heroic adventures/stories to Gambit and Gambit Prime. It's not our gear and super's fault this game hasn't gotten any harder in 2 years. Makes shit hit harder. Make raid bosses 20 light above the cap so it hits like a freight train. We are fighting gods, demigods, super beasts, etc after all. Make THEM harder. Don't make US weaker. You don't even need fresh content. Just jack up the light level counter and release it as super "screw you" mode. But for the love of God, stop making us and our loot weaker! That isn't fun and it screws with people's brains. We are now a community that half lives in fear of what they're gonna have to remove from their load outs next and half acceptance that nothing in this game is ever going to stay good for longer than a few weeks. How exactly are we supposed to grow a community if the tag line is "come play Destiny, where you work your ass off only to have it taken away while the other 2/3 of the community is just happy it wasn't them." I honestly don't know if I'm going to buy Shadowkeep. The content seems really fun and I like playing this game with my friends. But oh goodness do I strongly hate that half my supers are jokes (or are about to be jokes) and that a lot of the gear I earned the hard way is sitting in my collections because it's not even worth a vault slot anymore. This game has 27 supers and like 12 of them don't suck. There over 1000 pieces of gear in this game, and we don't use 95% of them. There's a lot of wasted manpower trying to nerf parts of the game that should be inherently broken. If I cast a storm trance, there should be six guardians running to hide. Not one titan with OEM and a shotgun running through my lightning to one shot me like I'm standing still doing nothing. It's horseshit, honestly. It doesn't feel right that the answer to every problem is to punish players for obtaining the best gear and supers and that punishment is basically a sigh of relief from every player that doesn't use that class. That's not healthy, it doesn't feel right, and it's not fun. Isn't the whole point of buying and playing a video game to have fun? Anyway, thanks for listening. *edit* For those saying that Well still needs nerfed, go stand in one during boss fights in 750 managerie and learn what happens when you sit still in a well against a bad guy who's the same light level you are, then understand we could have that experience everywhere without a nerf if strikes, raids, gambit, heroic adventures/stories all had a 750 light mode.