I can see that. Except I believe it was revealed that yor didn’t kill for pleasure or sport. Yor killed whatever connections that seemed to be involved with hope and or the light. He did this because the corruption he had made him believe that to have peace one side must disappear. Since the darkness was winning the light must disappear.

Monsters never see Monsters in the mirror. Murders will always have a rationalization that justifies---to themselves----why what they're doing is "right".....or how the world somehow "left them no choice". But at the end of the day, they are just excuses. "Peace is a lie, there is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory, my Chains are broken. The Force Shall Free Me. " ----The Sith Code. The tragedy of being Sith is that the Sith thinks that the Dark Side is his TOOL...when in fact the Sith is The Dark Side's slave. Who willing fit himself with his own chains, because he believe the Lies that the Darkness always tells...and believed the promises of power. But like all Devil's Bargains....there is always a HOOK in the bait....that you never notice until you've taken it. In the case of the Star Wars Universe.....you get power over things....but lose control over yourself as the Dark Side consumes your body and turns you into a psychopath. In the Destiny Universe....its the same bad deal. You gain power over others...but lose the strenght to control yourself. Oh, you'll come up with all manner of excuses as to why what you're doing is for some "Greater good". But the fact is that you're killing for selfish reasons. Dredgen Yor was killing because he enjoyed it. He came to enjoy the pain, suffering and fear that he inflicted upon others. Of all the beings that are allied with the Darkness...the one who is most honest with himself about what he does what he does.....is Calus...and he's under no illuions about that he's doing nothing but simply being left around to watch the Universe burn.

Oh I’m not excusing his actions or anything. He was a monster. But I haven’t ever seen any evidence that he actually enjoyed the killing he does. Is there a piece of lore that states that yor enjoyed killing or is this your interpretation of his actions?

No. But then if he were that self-aware....he wouldn't have been a Monster. Eckhardt Tolle doesn't like to use the words, "Good"...."Sin" or "Evil". He perfers to use the term "Ordinary Unconsciousness"....and "Deep Unconsciousness". When he refers to "Unconsciousness" he refers to the misperception that we are these "forms" we occupy in this life...and that's all we are. The level of Form Identification that the average person has is what causes all the ordinaries fears and acts of carelessness, and pain that we inflict upon one other in ordinary life. Deep Unconsciousness is when the Form Identification is so severe, that any and all sense of moral compass....or the sense of others having reality apart from yourself and What you want....is lost. That is what The Darkness ultimately is. The Essence of this Deep Unconsciousness and Pure Form-identification. Oryx was a being of Pure, Deep Unconsciousness by the time of The Taken War. He honestly believed that he was doing what was "right"....and that the Universe needed him to speed along Evolution by murdering everything in His path. When the reality is that he killed to assure his own survival....and (to a lesser extent) the survival of the Hive. Which only turned them into slaves to their Worm larvae....The Worm Gods....and The Deep. [i] "To rend one's enemy is to see them not as equals...but as objects. Hollow of spirit and Meaning." [/i] -----13th Understanding. 7th Book of Sorrow. This quote from the Thorn Grimoire Card, is not only a quote from the"Bible" of the Hive....its also a characterization of how Narcissists and Sociopaths see the world and other people. Not as seperate beings....but as OBJECTS. As THINGS to do wtih as they pleased. As one profoundly sick person one told me, "Other people are toys for my amusement". Dredgen Yor was not that far gone. He still had enough of a conscience that he needed to convince himself that he was still a purpose to what he was doing. That he was still serving some principle higher than himself. Of course Oryx told himself a similar lie with respect to The Final Shape and Sword Logic. Monsters never see Monsters in the Mirror because they either have lost sight of what a Monster even is..... ....or they still have enough of a conscience left that they need to lie to themselves about the nature of what they are doing...and why the are doing it.

I get that. I don’t feel like Dredgen yor was really lying to himself though. Or at the very least he knew what he had become. Pieces of the Titan that he was before still lingered. He could have killed his ghost but he chose not too and gave it the chance to leave him. He didn’t want his old name slandered by his current actions. And he wanted shin to kill him, let Ward’s ghost go to shin with the last word to give shin that push to go do so.

[quote]I don’t feel like Dredgen yor was really lying to himself though.[/quote] ...and that's where youre wrong. The only people who are evil who don't lie to themselves about it are those people who are SO far gone that they no feel ANY empathy or compassion for anything....and feel no compunction to pretend to do so. The only "being" in the Destiny Universe who is truly that far gone....is The Deep itself. Such beings can be dangerously seductive. Because---since they have absolutely no morality----they will say anything and do anything. ...and will often have the frightening power to make even the most morally rupugnant notions sound....somehow....reasonable. Take the 32 Book of Sorrow: https://www.destinypedia.com/Books_of_Sorrow#XXXII:_Majestic._Majestic. [b][i]"The Deep greets Oryx like a friend, and tells him that he need not be on his guard anymore, for there was no danger or threat where they were. It asks a series of questions about its philosophy. The one ultimate question of existence, it claims, is whether or not something can be killed; and it must be answered truthfully—if it is not asked, something or someone will ask instead. This is misconstrued by the rest of the universe as evil, which the Deep assures Oryx is merely "social maladaptiveness", affirming the Hive belief that they were adaptivity itself. The Deep elaborates further: existence is not built upon friendship, or law, or morality. It is rather built upon a common end—existence at any cost. Life itself is in a constant struggle for existence. The universe destroys through the vagaries of random chance, newborn suns consumed by black holes and habitable worlds ravished in short gamma bursts. Civilization is a delaying tactic, the Deep explains, staving off the end of all things. If the universe is brutal, then so must its inhabitants. Only through the sword can anything survive in the hell of life, not bogged down in swamps of artificial paradise and rules. This, then, is how the universe evolves, by testing itself constantly, purging any impurity from itself, moving toward perfection, becoming an axiom of reality. The Deep rounds it off by claiming this was a majestic thing, beautiful and true—and that this was what the Deep is all about."[/i] [/b] You don't really get a feel for the HORROR (the fear induced by moral injury) that this passage entails at first reading. In fact, if read superficially enough...it seems to make sense. But when you drill down on it, and take it point by point....you realize that its a string of logical fallacies, half truths and lies, that presented in a manner to convince ORYX of the "rightness and reasonableness" of The Deep....not the Deep itself. Because The Deep underplays evil and its consequences. Ridicules morality....and then decieves by drawing inappropriate analogies between FORCES of NATURE and creatures acting on INSTINCT (and therefore have no ability to choose their actions).....to those of beings who are aware of right and wrong and can choose accordingly. But Oryx...by this time...has already taken the Devil's Bargain offered by the Worm Gods. He is so fallen at this point that he's completely forgotten that what initially drove him to seek the Worm Gods was to avenge a wrong done do his father and his family. Now All Oryx sees is Power...and what is necessary to hold onto it. He just needs to come up with "hogher principle" that it appears to serve...in order to assauge what little conscience he has left. While his life---and those of his sisters---have been reduced to nothing but blood, slaughter, Hellish magic, and power games. Empty of any meaning other than survival. At which point, you've lost your "humanity"...and are little more than a beast.

Except Dredgen yor was aware that what he was doing was indeed perceived as evil by pretty much everyone. I’m just bringing up the point that he did not kill for sport, or fun. It’s just an assumption made by people because of how infamous he was and wanting the monster to seem more monster like. In truth Dredgen yor was aware of his actions, and knew he was too far corrupted for a change and created the means to his own end.

Oryx thinks he's aware of what he's doing to. EVERY Evildoer THINKS they know what they're doing. "None of the great crimes and atrocities of history were committed by monsters. No. They were committed by ordinary men and women who are absolutely, positively, convinced that they were right." ----Eckhardt Tolle. The [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] thought they were right and knew what they were doing too. Tolle's point was that individual, Ordinary Unconsciousness and deteriorate into DEEP Unconsciousness under the right conditions....and its victims are NEVER aware of when that occures. Because i fthey were....they would have avoided it. But they don't....because they crave the INDIVIDUAL pay-off that falling to Darkness gives them. Not the "higher principle" they convince themselves they are serving. Like an ordinary drug addict....Dredgen Yor was simply lying to himself. Just like The Deep Was lying to Oryx. What was Dredgen Yor's saving Grace was that he was not a being of Total Darkness...but rather of Corrupted Light. He wasn't completely gone like The Deep....or even mostly gone like Oryx. Yor still had enough of a conscience left to have some awarness of what he was doing. Which is why he didn't just go hunt down Shin Malphur as a child and murder him. Like Jeffery Dahmer, there was TINY part of him that still had a conscience...and wanted to be stopped. But that tiny part was operating in the back ground, and made itself known only by what he DIDN"T do. Not by what he actually DiD. His Darkness went along with it because it served its short-term needs.