I just dont like games trying to force me into a 50% win/loss ratio and a 1.0 K/D. The main reason i play shooters is to grow those numbers as high as possible. And obviously those numbers dont go up if you play against equal or better players than yourself the majority of the time.

Not what happens. That's just bullshit rhetoric from players like Triplewreck who had a 2.4 kd and 74% win rate with sbmm. You still control your own kd and win/loss ratio, it's just fair -blam!-ing games 👍

If a game is perfectly fair (per matchmakin) everybody will get an equal number of kills as they have deaths and wins would be determined by coinflips. If there are people on the other team that you can kill more than they kill you it is because the match was not fair IE You were matched with someone who is not as good as you to follow your definition of fair for the sake of arguement. EDIT that person obviously had those stats because he was better at the game than the people he fought.

That's not how shit works in any reality.

So you disagree with the statement that "the better player will almost always win"?

The premise that everyone are always better or worse and will always win/lose is stupid. Just like your comment that if everyone were exact equal skill/ability they'd all finish with equal kills and deaths is stupid. That's not how life works. It's sheer ignorance. By your reasoning, one team in every sport should finish every season undefeated, one team lose just one game, etc down the line. If you want to have a serious discussion, try posting a thought that isn't fantasy.

You do realize a team is made of many different people of various skills right? and if you want to bring real life sports into the equation you would also have to factor in roles/positions, teamwork, and coaching. If you want to go deeper you could even talk about home field advantage and "off days". There are a million different factors to consider when the outcome is dependent on a team, but K/D in games like destiny is largely dependent on your ability to 1v1 and create situations that allow you to 1v1. Do we even want to talk about ELO and how you can pretty much guess the outcome of every game by checking destiny tracker before the match starts?

Oh, so we're not playing on teams and people can't have "off days" or off games or be better on some maps than others or any other of a thousand -blam!-ing exact same things lol. Have a nice night, this conversation is stupid.

The main reason i play shooters is to have fun. Weird, huh?

Same. Why are you repeating what I just said? Making numbers and bars go up is fun.

It can be fun when it's obtainable. That alone however, is most certainly not my idea of fun.

I find it to be a very good metric for how much I enjoy matches. If I get stomped, that's obviously unfun. And if I get stomped a low KD and loss is highly likely to follow. However I am sure in relationship to my comment that you would say that increasing light level is fun is it not? If not you then anybody who says the grind is good would have to agree. The grind is just raising a number or filling a bar.

I am a standard trash tier comp player (100000 kills in crucible and a terrible KD) and I reckon SBMM sucks. Iron Banner has it and it usually means 1 game is easy and the next I get stomped. The way to avoid this problem? Get a 6 stack run meta loadouts (one eyed mask + lord of wolves/erentil) and piss everyone else off for your dissatisfying victories. Yeah Comp sucks it shouldn't tie individual glory rank rewards to a team performance when I prefer to play alone due to the skill discrepancies between my lobbies and my friends lobbies. We know there are skill ranks in Comp (apart from glory) due to competent players with high rank accounts struggling at the bottom end of comp and then that player plays comp games on their garbage room mates account and achieves Fabled in 21 games (this happens alot). I cant even take one other novice comp player into the playlist because they cant hang in the skill bracket because of the invisible skill based match making. SBMM does not improve the experience at best it just means you win 50% you lose 50% and you cant duo q with your friend who is getting into destiny PVP. If you want to win alot stack up and pub stomp. The only suggestions I have to improve the experience is to award points towards rewards based on personal improvement and individual effort in game. For example a few glory points for a double kill to negate glory losses or glory bonus for getting 10 kills in a countdown. If trials ever comes back have it LL enabled and power handicap accounts that have already gone flawless.

Sbmm is garbage no question, I see sols replied to you with his usual bs and lies, I gotta say though my favorite fabrication he spews has gotta be this one: [quote][quote]SBMM does not improve the experience at best it just means you win 50% you lose 50%[/quote] Also untrue. This is a common statement spread by high profile streamers that's more BS. It doesn't force 50/50 win loss % What it does do is give both teams a closer to 50/50 chance going in [/quote] So it doesnt force a 50/50 it just.....tried really hard to get a 50/50 You need look no further to tell how delusional one can be

[quote]Iron Banner has it and it usually means 1 game is easy and the next I get stomped.[/quote] Iron Banner actually has phenomenal skill matchmaking and the individual player vs player engagements are night and day different from QP. The problem with Iron Banner is that 1) power matters, so even though teams and skill are way more even, the player power levels are not, so one team might have 3-4 low power players getting one-shot by primaries and 2) the lockdown mechanic, lower score to win and a mercy system that gets called way sooner than QP tilt games early and don't allow time for comebacks. [quote]We know there are skill ranks in Comp (apart from glory) due to competent players with high rank accounts struggling at the bottom end of comp and then that player plays comp games on their garbage room mates account and achieves Fabled in 21 games (this happens alot). I cant even take one other novice comp player into the playlist because they cant hang in the skill bracket because of the invisible skill based match making. [/quote] This is a complete fabrication. There is no secret sbmm in Comp. [quote]SBMM does not improve the experience at best it just means you win 50% you lose 50% and you cant duo q with your friend who is getting into destiny PVP.[/quote] Also untrue. This is a common statement spread by high profile streamers that's more BS. It doesn't force 50/50 win loss % and many players have higher/lower with sbmm. What it does do is give both teams a closer to 50/50 chance going in vs QP now where one team often has an 80-90% chance to win before the game even starts. Also the stuff about you can't play with lower level friends is also untrue. D2 Y2 sbmm uses a different algorithm than D1 Y3 and D2 Y1. Rather than fireteams being matched be the highest skill level in the fireteam, it now takes the fireteams average skill. So if you have a couple 1100's and a 1700, the other team's average will be around 1300. This is much more fair for the low level teammates and the other team. [quote]If you want to win alot stack up and pub stomp. [/quote] This is just a stupid remark.

[quote]This is a complete fabrication. There is no secret sbmm in Comp. Jump on a friends account and try it for yourself.