Time and time again this community is plagued by kids who can barely shoot straight begging for nerfs on what they think is overpowered, and the follow that to the inevitable grave of what they want, but I’m here to say one thing.
Literally most of you have no -blam!-ing clue what you’re talking about.
You all hear the word “meta” and start quivering in your leg armor at the dastardly thought of “this weapon is slightly better than others!” But I don’t think any of you actually know what that word means.
A meta is when a gun or ability is so good you’re pretty much handicapping yourself by not using it if it’s available to you. Such things considered meta are One Eyed Mask, Spectral Blades, Blade Barrage, and (rest their soul) Nova Warp.
But the thing is, the basis on Subclass Meta seems to be determined on their super, yknow, the thing you use twice a game. And not the neutral game, yknow, the thing you use all the time.
Hunters are deemed “overpowered” for their very good supers and strong neutral game. When in reality, basing a meta off of a few abilities instead of gunplay when both things are separate are dumb. I can lose to a person using a non meta subclass because he simply beat me in a gunfight, whether that be because of my poor decision making, poor aim, or simply just being out of position and getting picked.
This is the intermission where you call me a hunter crybaby before you read the rest of my teenage angst.
You done? Good. Let’s continue.
This meta is not forced whatsoever. Everyone will tell you that “Shotgun Lunas howl is so op, there’s no way you can counter it.” And to that I say. Get better. This game is very lenient on what class you can play as your guns will define how good you are. Forced meta is GOATS in Overwatch, where if you don’t play it you’ll lose, no objection, no exceptions.
After getting my Lunas, I just don’t like the feel of it. I’d simply rather Last Word snipe, it’s what I’ve done for 4-5 years after all. Maybe I’m just bad with the gun, but I do better just playing with what I have been forever. But wait? Why? I thought Luna’s was supposed to be the key? The key to everything! I was supposed to be the slayer of Kings!
Luna’s isnt as overpowered as everyone says. In order to actually do something with Luna’s, you need to hit every headshot, which most of the people on this forum can’t do. You have to fight Last flinch and if you miss even 1 headshot, it’s just your normal 180 handcannon. Of course, I’m not fully used to it still and I’m trying to play from the range of my Trust, which had almost as much range as NF. People who can use Luna’s to its fullest are going to massacre you regardless, if they are hitting every headshot, you’re going to get rolled, that’s how it works
Then we get into the topic of composition and playstyle. It’s odd isn’t it? That doing something other than walking into bullets works. Cammycakes is a good example of what I’m talking about, specking himself for a certain gimmick and executing it properly, sucks as using a Bow and Coldheart on a DevourLock. But I know if I talk about *shiver* [i][u][b]Streamers[/b][/u][/i], that the people reading this post will throw a shitfit, and then claim they know more than the people who make content and analyze this game for a living.
The problem with playstyle though, is that this community is sheep, and it’s current trend is “run at people with a shotgun and do the bang bang”. I will agree, this meta is getting stale since we’ve had it awhile, but it’s by no means a bad meta. In Overwatch, people loved dive, until they played it for a year and they decided they wanted something new. It’s the exact same thing, we don’t hate this meta, we’re just bored. The only time you hate meta is when you’re not good at it. My favorite meta was the year 2 sniping meta in D1, I was really good with a sniper, and could put click most people in a lobby, it was fun for me. Then people got angry about it, said sniping took no skill (even though sniping is the hardest thing to do in this game and takes a lot of skill) and then cried for the nerf on 4 shot snipers, toning down their aim assist and scope in speed.
Once the meta shifts, people will complain something else in the grave. Yes, shotguns are very dominant, but that’s why we have the last word, side arms, and fusions. Quit thinking about the game as a tier list, and instead think of it as a game of Rock Paper Scissors. Counterplay is a thing, don’t just ram the same thing into the head of something that’s killing you.
Some people are just better than others, it’s frustrating getting stomped, but sometimes it’s necessary to get better and improve as a player. Playing comp can make you a better player because it forces you to actually think, there’s consequence. And that’s what a person needs to improve.
Bottom line. Spectral is the best class. There, I said it, it has the best super and the best neutral game out of most if not all classes. But you have to be good at the game and understand your kit, to be good with the flawless execution, you can’t just run in a straight line at enemies with your super and get a reaper. You can outrun most of Spectrals duration. You died doing it? Well, at least now it’s gone and you won’t die to it after you spawn in like when you just tried shooting at it by yourself. That’s called decision making folks, like jumping off the map so the enemy team doesn’t farm super when you know you’ll lose a round of comp.
The warlock neutral game is good. You have good names, certainly not the best, but good grenades. VoidLocks have devour and lifesteal from two of their trees, and people have been rocking Slova recently too. Blink is also a very good tool for confusing your opponent and changing position. That’s my extent on the warlock class though (as I only really played NW when it was busted because I was handicapping myself by not using it, that’s called playing the meta kids)
Titans, you can run at people with your insane resilience and just press your melee Buttons to get kills. It’s that simple. If that doesn’t work, you have some of the best grenades in the game. And a strong neutral game. Shield is INSANE if you play around it properly your supers are good too, they may not be the strongest in comp, but it’s still a super, quit acting likes it’s unusable. Because you aren’t getting reapers.
Hunters, you got some pretty shitty nades (plz buff tripmine it literally doesn’t do anything) but your hops are great and you are the best and changing your direction in the fly, titans may be faster, but they can’t switch it up quite like you can. Roll is a good tool, it may suck bad (why can you be shot out of roll), but of used correctly you can get out of situations the other classes couldn’t dream of. Be annoying, jump above people, sensitivity in the game sucks so you’ll get easy kills.
Simply changing things up and doing something the enemy doesn’t expect can throw them off. I find it a lot harder aiming against a person who doesn’t know what they’re doing than a professional, because I’m trying to be fancy to make sure I don’t lose, but that throws me off as they simply stand still and take my wife home with them. It doesn’t work? Try something else. I hear Erentil is nasty these days, sniping is viable, shotgunning is great. Sidearms can put them down though. P l e a s e b u f f s c o u t s a n d a u t o s. Simply having good positioning can win you games. It’s crazy how much you can customize in this game, I can have 4 totally different playstyles because of different exotics, I’m not forced into one right fitting glove.
This meta isn’t strict, you’re just making it strict. I’ve seen people pubstomp with fusions. Simply find your gimmick and run wild with it. Of course not everything is going to be good at the same time, that’s how games work.
[spoiler]Buff warlocks give me a reason to play them bungie make the glide not suck[/spoiler]
Tl;dr: Meta isn’t forced. Practice makes perfect. Please buff warlock glide.
Edit: Apparently using Luna’s makes my entire argument invalid, sorry you can’t get yours bud. Last Word sniped my way through the competition, maybe you’ll find your way too.
Edit 2: oof that’s a lot of downvotes. I guess it’s because I’m right or because I play meta, yknow, like a good player does. Playing meta isn’t a sin, and you’re not better than someone for not playing it. At least this meta isn’t GOATS
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1 답변To be honest, i did not read the whole thing. But from what i read i agree, Meta is not forced. I can say that i used to be one of those guys who blindly went into pvp thinking i could use any gun i wanted and come out with the same results ( boy was i wrong with that strategy ). After going after Lunas and learning what works and what doesn't, i have found that the game is really not too imbalanced as far as guns go. Each map and playstyle require certain loadouts. In control, if you want to hold point B, it may be better to run shotgun or sidearm. Other maps may call out for longer range that can easily out-do Lunas if played right. I played a match last night where my team failed to adjust our loadouts to the map and we got stomped. What i have found is that this terrible peer to peer server BS is what exacerbates a very small problem. Inconsistency in gameplay results will always bring frustration to people and that frustration has to be pointed somewhere. " X " guy killed me with lunas again, it must be the gun. All in all, my advice is to go to dedicated servers for PVP and for people to research their loadouts, practice with guns that match their playstyle and get armor that will compliment those things.
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8 답변WHAT ARE YOU DOING!? Are you actually calling people out? Don't you know its not them!? Its the maps! It's the gamemode! It's the meta subclass! It's the overpowered guns! It's the sweaty no lifes! It's the stacked teams! It's the matchmaking! It's the ddosers! It's the playlists! It's the gamemode! It's the lag! Its bungie! It's the sandbox! It's not sbmm! Anything and everything but themselves
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1 답변META- Most Effective Tool or Tactic Available The Meta is ever changing in destiny , always has and always will. The pvp community ( good players at least ) use the best weapons with the fastest ttk . The rest of the community who aren’t good enough to get Luna’s or Not Forgotten are gonna cry cause they keep dying to these guns. Are these guns OP.? Realistically , probably not , in reality a good pvp player is gonna be good regardless and most likely still get 30-40-50 kills a game regardless of the current meta , it’s just people like to complain cause they’re not any good in the crucibile . It’s not like this is a new phenomenon in destiny , casual players will always complain when they keep dying to weapons they can’t obtain. That being said , once this meta shifts another will come along and people will cry about that also . Welcome to destiny and welcome to the destiny forums lol.
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I actually agree with pretty much everything you say. I get Meta hate mail because I run spectral, Not Forgotten in PvP even though I ran spectral from the start (when it was awful) due to its unique neutral game and the fact I was a D1 blade dancer. And no one bitched about my Not Forgotten in September as not many videos and complaint posts were out on it then. I do understand people being bored of the meta though and hope more powerful weapons (like Last Word) are released into the game. I will always play close to the meta because I want to do well but above all else I use what I find enjoyable and the constant complaints about things being OP or unfair is just tiring at this point.
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9 답변Folks need to stop saying “if they’re that good with Luna/NF, they’re gonna beat you regardless of their weapon”. No they’re not. Luna/NF are just too easy to use and so forgiving to get headshots. You don’t see players running around doin that well with other handcannons, at least on console. So stop using this piss poor excuse and realize that Luna/NF makes folks a better player.
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6 답변The reason something becomes a meta is by definition [i]because[/i] it's better than the alternatives. Player skill will always be the most important factor in a fight but no amount of leet MLG pro skills will change the fact Luna can beat Jade Rabbit at Scout Rifle range.
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5 답변Good read. Also, pussy rifle users sitting in the back of the map while holding other pussy rifle user's buttchecks will forever be bad
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4 답변작성자: EzE_408 2/22/2019 8:57:49 PMYou will get downvoted, but not because you are wrong. It’s because you posted an adult post, in a daycare setting :)
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4 답변[quote]Edit 2: oof that’s a lot of downvotes. I guess it’s because I’m right or because I play meta, yknow, like a good player does. Playing meta isn’t a sin, and you’re not better than someone for not playing it. At least this meta isn’t GOATS[/quote] An alternate theory is that no one supports your extra long rant/brag session, or you going out of your way to constantly attack other players. There are a lot of players who quit playing PvP because its unbalanced, broken, and not fun for them. Before they quit they usually come to the official Destiny 2 forum and share their opinion. That’s what it’s here for.
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1 답변lol that was such a weak attempt at defending this meta. Your acting like just because good players/streamers can pub stomp than that means that it’s balanced. I’ve probably spent equal time in quickplay, rumble, and competitive maybe a little less in quickplay. I used varies load outs. I’ve run double primary, shotguns, fusions, snipers, hand cannons, double snipers, grenade launchers, pulses, auto rifles, songs, and pretty much everything else. And I’ve noticed noticed a big difference between some of the game modes and players. Comp: Shotguns, pulses, and handcannons were nearly 80% of everyone’s load out throughout brave and from what I’ve heard from others it’s like that for most of higher comp as well Rumble: Imo has players with the most variable load outs. And because of the wide skill gaps between the best and worst players the best players can use meme guns or off meta weapons and still win easily. The issue right now isn’t that you [b]Cant[/b] win with any weapon but that meta weapons right now give such an advantage that in fights where players have near equal skills the meta gun will win much more often. This results in you having to choose to between playing Meta, playing counter meta, or playing with an off meta load out and you just have to accept you are going to lose more than what you should with your skill level. [b]The lack of diversity in loadouts in the crucible is boring and makes fights feel repetitive. My most fun games I’ve had is when I’m playing rumble and another good player is also playing something completely diffrent than what would be meta. It would be great if these kind of fights could happen more by making these weapons more viable[/b]
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2 답변Most people say the broadsword sucks. I grinded for it and I'm going to use it and after you get use to it it's pretty good. I use different loadout depending on the map and what the enemy is running. People need to.learn how to adapt their play style . I love my Luna but the range sucks so if I see the enemy team running range weapons I'll switch what in using.
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1 답변Unreal Tournament was my stuff back in the day !!! Then Halo came along then..... Destiny pvp.... hugh so far from an arena shooter.
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1 답변Your wall of text detracts from your message. Next time compare and contrast Meta guns vs. Non Meta. Easier read, easy to follow and the numbers explain why its being used by so many people which creates META.
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1 답변[quote]overpowered things are good because i use them and if you don't you're bad[/quote]
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19 답변My last match of competitive was 4 hunters, ALL were wearing stompees, dusk rock, luna, warcliff, spectral blades.i ended yo with 0 kills, that had never happened the entire time I've played this franchise . If you don't think they're is a clear advantage for using an instant win button on a class with the best pvp jump ,mobility, and super. Then your the one that had no idea how this game works.
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7 답변When writing self serving, overly long posts on the internet it's best to start with condescension and ramble about your superiority to everyone else on the internet. That's how you grab attention. Didn't read. You're irritating.
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1 답변Was too long too read it all but my issue is they only change the sandbox every 4-6 months so we get stale repetitive metas. Other games get bigger changes far more often resulting in more varied metas.
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1 답변Forced meta only happens in high level play which you could argue anyone here complaining probably isn't playing at that level. If you think you're going to walk into a tournament where everyone has mostly equal skill and compete without the actual meta then you're crazy. Cammy has even said this. I believe he mains a Titan on his team and he wouldn't enter a contest without OEM and every other true meta available to him. He has even said that playing against a team of 4 Titans all rocking OEM is brutal. I think it just depends on what your goal is. All these streamers pub stomping are doing it in QP where you match with potatoes. So of course if you have actual skill you can outclass these thumbless dweebs even equipping green weapons. I think that is what people are mostly upset about. QP is supposed to be a relaxed mode and so many people have turned it into another sweat fest. I don't know how you fix this? I don't know if it's even a problem? I think if you are going to play Destiny PvP you have to take what you get. This is not a truly competitive shooter. Those exist if you want to try your hand at people with truly next-to-godly skill.
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12 답변Another “git gud” shit post by a try hard that was honestly way too long. Meta is numbers based, it’s not just something that imaginary. Crap like Luna’s , dust rock, jotumn, kill more effectively and there’s numbers to support that fact.
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3 답변This. So much of this. Sure you have things that are more powerful, there always will be but you can use another things and do fine. This is the issue the community has. People refuse to change and improve.