Wow man I wish bungie employees were half as smart and half a deep as you dude. Maybe then Destiny wouldn’t be such a dissatisfaction. I agree with this post 100%

Well said. It's about time people realize that even the hardcore players are getting burnt out, and tired of bungie making this game seem like a job. They've gone too far

If they want to continue to cater to the few I think they should stay on course. If they want to bring back the other 12 million who don't play daily anymore I think they should stop focusing on raids that almost no one does and spend that time making PvP the best it can be or on making new worlds, strikes, races, etc for PvE.

All of that, plus every milestone feels useless. Every crucible daily I complete? Wing theorem class item. Every weekly crucible? Duke 44. Every gambit daily/weekly or vanguard daily/weekly? Class item or useless weapon. Petra? Probably a vouchsafe for the challenge, and two helmets for the other two drops. Week in, and week out. Grind for an hour or two ---> useless reward, rinse and repeat. At this point, I'm having more fun replaying a fantasy draft in 2k18

Well said. I think you nailed it on the head; especially with the feel of Destiny when TTK and RoI dropped. D2 is, for me, too shallow. I left my heart in siva infected cosmodrome. Oh and ME (1) is still my favorite game of all time. I didn’t care for ME2 at first, but it grew on me. I wasn’t a fan of the over simplification of classes and powers...just like going from D1 to D2. But at least ME2 told a story and a good one. Unfortunately, for me, D2 is in the same club as Dragon Age 2. But there is always hope for the 3rd installment. Happy gaming!

[quote]Forsaken has done a lot of good things for the game but I am not sure they were good long term. These are my OPINIONS and I do not speak for anyone other than myself. I hope I am some 1% and most people playing this game are enjoying it. tl/dr: IMO complexities have been added into the game that make the game tedious, not fun. As stated in the subject I am a dedicated player with over 3000 hours in D1 and another 2000+ in D2. I have always been a PVE player that has dabbled in PVP playing more at times than others. I have weathered content droughts when my clan has gone off to other games between releases. I left for a short bit when Andromeda dropped but was disappointed/relieved when it did not live up to my expectation of a Mass Effect game (my favorite game series of all time) and I could come back and focus on D2. I play with my wife and best friends even though they do not play a quarter as much as I do. I play with other clanmates that put in the time I do, or at least close. I have loved this game since beta and always looked forward to getting home and playing after work. Unfortunately this is desire is not as strong now and I wanted to get my feelings out. PVE While all of the day to day world activities are the best they ever have been, they have been made dull due to the stagnate load-outs I end up using. I use all type of weapons but they all end up Rampage/Kill clip, Outlaw so the weapons have lost all identity. The pinnacle weapons feel different so that just limits the diversity in my load-outs even more. Random rolls have just taken up time looking at them and then deleting since you know most perks make NO difference. Armor stacks in my vault until I can find a couple of hours on DIM to sort out 80% to delete. Strikes feel dull even with modifiers and with no new ones in Season of the Forge I feel no need to go and do them. Nightfalls are even worse with being able to select your modifiers the fun just is not there. Raids are just getting more and more geared to specific pin-point coordinated actions that if the whole team is not on point then you will not succeed. In D1 my clan ran 3-4 raids every Tuesday and then another 3-6 through the week to have fun and to make sure everyone gets their characters through. We have only attempted the new raid a handful of times and now I can't even get a group together. Gambit I really like I just do not like that I am limited in my load-out if I want to win. PVP I hated PVP at the begining of D1. Once the stealth SBMM dropped I actually got interested. Played enough after to get to almost a 1.0 KD and chose to play PVP for fun periodically. This continued through D2 until SBMM changed and went away. I now am back to hating PVP. This week killed my desire completely. I started working on the Last Word "quest" and played 5 games. I had one game of 1.07 KDA, one of 1.00 and the rest were below 0.6 and finished with 2% done on the quest step. Why would I want to go back when I was continually up against people getting 40+ defeats in my game? Complexity has been added in to the game for complexity sake and not for what I think is fun. I am deleting more items that are random rolls and it take longer to do so. It is exhausting trying to teach the details to less committed players. If you are not a highly skilled player the game is getting less and less accessible. The only suggestion I have is keep the variety of activities but tune it back to the feeling the game had in Taken King or Rise of Iron. As a committed player I played everything and could teach anyone to succeed in all activities, that is not the case now. I am hoping Anthem if fantastic, not as a punishment to Destiny but to recharge me and give some space to this game. I hope that the game can slide back more to the middle. Again these are only my thoughts.[/quote] You're not the only one, PVP is not what it used to be, i been working on the 2nd step of TLW since it dropped and im still at 0%. Something is wrong with PVP, 1 shot kills, etc

Also like to add (again) cores for level infusion is still overly tedious. Especially when you already have to hunt planetary materials, glimmer, shards, & gunsmith parts and use all to upgrade. Fine for masterwork, tedious grind on top of other tedious grinds to play with gear I like. I didn’t even finish LW quest when I saw they hadn’t addressed this. In fact, haven’t played since. Debating Season of the Drifter if it doesn’t change. I’m not playing with gear I don’t like (ie garbage bag scattershot armor and/or sniper with hip grip... seriously, wtf?!) just to get through upper levels because I’m unable to spend even more hours before playing the game to grind for cores. Thus, not actually playing the game. Just grinding for days. Especially with how they did the armory launch where you had to level up just to play it. Not doing that again. Boring. So, someone let me know when they fix that. Until then, ESO got better than it was at launch. So yay. 🤷‍♂️

2700+ hour player here. I was a daily player even when D2 was at its worst. I’ve all but given up playing because the experience is more frustrating than fun. The removal of sbmm in QuickPlay has killed PvP for me. Grinding for random rolls that are a waste of time 99% of the time is tedious. Strike playlists are meaningless. Nightfalls are non-events vs what they were in D1. Exotic drop duplicates are beyond annoying. We still need MW cores to infuse - a pointless and tedious requirement. I feel no desire to raid all that much in D2 vs D1 due to a combination of them being too mechanics heavy and not having all that much in the way of exciting loot vs D1 raids. Too much reliance on tedious grinding and rng with little reward for effort got old really fast. Couldn’t be assed to even go for the lastword. I’m done with D2 for a while, hope it comes back strong again, but it’s not looking likely any time soon.

The Destiny series, the best 6/10 game you'll ever play. I agree 100%. PREACH IT!

Honestly so far the annual pass was a flop only a couple more instalments left and the next one is purely going to be centered around gambit. And an exotic quest that most likely come till near the end of the season like last word. No word on factions no word on trials.

"It is exhausting trying to teach the details to less committed players. If you are not a highly skilled player the game is getting less and less accessible" i can relate to this.. They lack commitment and dedication. It's not your fault.. I personally like D1+2 lore so i always try to explain them some things in thw game lorewise and they start joking and stuff... I really like to rp... My hunter main has a personality.. So as every hunter liles tales, hidden stuff... I always try to memorize routes, play with cayde's pants ship emote colors and weapon because cayde was hunter.. Hope to see my point of view. Things is though thw new D2 players do not care,they havent played D1 so they dont know the amount of commitment and passion this game has.. My best friend was always there with me back in D1. Struggling to reach max light together, beating our first raid. He is not here now. So i must continue for him also. Sometimes some things are sentimental to us. And i mean "us" people with 3000+ hours that we did not lost our dedication

You're right about the game not gearing itself for the committed players. The game lives off of us who play every day, but it doesn't do anything for us. It does everything for the streamers, who don't need the attention from Bungie, and the top 5% of Crucible players, who only got what they wanted because Bungie dumbed down the game so much that they needed something, anything, to breathe life into Crucible and make the Competitive playlist worth it. They did a few good things with the game by removing the sprint lock, adding the ledge mantle, and adding new weapon types, even if they're really poorly done. (Seriously, bows only have around 5 legendary versions, which are the lowest tier they can be found as. Grenade launchers all feel the same with the exception of the primary grenade launchers. And to top it all off, they only have 3 machine guns in the entire game, which 1 was a DLC weapon.) The only varied weapons are SMGs which really could've been in Destiny 1 if they wanted to lower the count of Auto Rifles in the game. Bungie lost their direction with Destiny 2 trying to attract more players and they failed because of it. Forsaken did a lot right, but it doesn't help if Bungie doesn't change some of their mechanics back to the average player instead of the casual who can't get on for more than 3 hours a week, and the die-hards who don't have anything better to do with their time. Those of us who work or go to school and can still play every day should feel like we have a place in Destiny 2.

are you okey? 5000h is a little to much for a game like D2.

To be fair is there any game you can put that amount of time in and not be burnt out with? I mean bro

I feel ya man. The game is in a much better spot, but here’s what still bugs me. 1. I can jump on and play the game for fun. Doing milestones, different activities, etc, but when I go to use the gear that has dropped from milestones, there’s an immediate roadblock to building some new fun loadouts...cores. Getting enough cores is just a chore. So at that point it’s not worth it, and I just turn off the game. 2. PVP matchmaking just sucks now. I think, I’ll jump in for some fun in the crucible, nope. First game is against a five stack all running Luna’s (which belongs in comp), Not Forgotten, Wardcliff, OEM, etc. I decide to stay and sweat my tail off, we nearly win, but it’s still a frustrating experience. I’m around a 2 kid so I’m NEVER on those teams, I’m always against them. It’s just exhausting and not worth the frustration. 3. The overall aesthetic. The ideas and execution of a the visuals in Destiny are pretty amazing, but the move towards a stylized art style REALLY hurt this game IMO. All the armor design hating we’ve heard stems from this, along with terms like cartoony, flat, cheap, over saturated being thrown around since D2 launch.

As someone who put 3400 hours into destiny one on my main acccount (probably a few hundred more on my spares) and not even 1000 hours into D2 i admit Nothing feels the same. The game lacks the most basic things that made destiny one amazing. Thus killing the fun we had. I guess having fun is less important than Bungie making money... the thing is I remember in destiny one Content creators would actually spend money on Eververse for cosmetic loot openings. I remember my friends occasionally saying “dude ima buy this emote, or this sparrow” yet here in destiny 2 we bash eververse because we aren’t happy with the state of the game. We need an April update that makes us feel like we should be giving Bungie our money not feel as if they’re just scamming us into having to spend it. PvE wasn’t my cup of tea surprise I know how could I not love killing the same most basic bitch AI with useless mechanics. PvP in destiny one however especially casual crucible was where I shined. That and iron banner. I was the go to guy to have on your team. If I was in your match I was guaranteed to carry teams and to get top of the board almost every match. Rarely did I get dethroned. To the ones who did dethrone me great job I sense it wasn’t easy. Destiny one felt like a sport more than a game. It felt like a hobby one I had a passion for. I was trying to be the best regardless of if I was solo or teamed up. My teams were great too except after the last D1 April update we got in a massive fight and most of us called it quits. These were people I spent a year of my teenage life hanging out with so to see them go definitely killed off whatever hype I had for D2. Now I’m nineteen and I enjoy games like Siege and Halo 5 games that aren’t so appreciated but still have amazing gameplay and an amazing communities. I can’t deny that when I use reddit to talk to Siege players that I enjoy it more than I do using B.net to talk about destiny. However recently I’ve been taking a break from console and instead I picked up a 2DS with a few Pokémon games. As an adult now it’s crazy to still be playing the franchise I grew up with. And I must admit. Bungie would have to do a lot to get me back into destiny. I mean they’d have to make D2 feel and play like D1 again which we all know they won’t bother doing. It doesn’t feel good to shoot guns anymore and to many of us that was the best part of destiny one. -Rogue(Firecracker)