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작성자: michael
2/3/2019 3:44:34 AM
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Hot take: Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten don’t belong in this game
I am happy with crucible exclusive pinnacle weapons. In fact, i wish there were more good pvp weapons that i could get without playing pve.
However, in my opinion, Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten do not belong in this game.
At least on console, these two weapons are without a doubt the best pvp primaries in the game. some pulses are good, along with things like trust and ace still being great weapons, but lunas and not forgotten are just better. Sure enough they only come from pvp. This directly results in PvE players being very discouraged from playing crucible since they don’t really have anything to compete with, except i guess blast furnace, bygones, and trust.
I know people worked hard for these weapons, especially those who got not forgotten, so i hate to devalue their grind. I don’t even have a problem with them myself, i’ve managed to compete using other weapons without much trouble except against really good players. I’m only saying that these guns are unhealthy for the game as a whole, and while they give pvp players something to grind for and stomp crucible with they also discourage tons of people from playing. I mean, just look on the forum from that past week. No one wants to do the last word quest because they dread going against not forgotten and lunas, even though the quest only takes a few games even for an average player. Just the thought of going against those weapons makes people not want to play, and in my opinion that is not good.
I don’t know what the solution is since their would be an uproar if these weapons were nerfed and certainly if they were out right removed, so maybe this is just feedback for the future of the game. Don’t make primary weapons that are so strong that they dominate their slot and make people hate the crucible.
Edit: for those saying i need to adapt and i need to git gud and what not, read the fourth paragraph. This post is not about me. NF and lunas don’t bother me, im pretty decent and can beat people who use them. The post is about the average player who just wants to hop on and play a couple games for fun but can’t stop getting a train ran through them in the form of a 3 shot at 180rpm every time they engage in a primary gunfight. Those average players make up a huge portion of the pvp playerbase and they are getting more and more discouraged as this meta continues.
Also, I solo queued the lunas howl quest months ago and never use it, so saying i’m salty about not having it just isn’t really true.
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85 답변Hot take: Whiners like the idiot OP and all the other morons agreeing with him (ironically enough none of which actually have either Luna or NF) are the reason the entirety of D2 year 1 was a boring pile of shit and nearly killed this entire franchise. When are you people going to learn? Boring ass shit doesn't sell, nerfing/restricting weapons will only serve to drive even more people away from this game. The harsh are real truth is that people like this will ALWAYS complain by what the better player kills them with. They simply can't accept the fact that they themselves don't posses the skill needed to compete. It's NOT the weapons that are killing you, it's your terrible map awareness, poor decision making, bad movement and shitty reflexes.
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I like how this comunity has come full circle, from D1 Y1 where people bitched about auto rifles killing you withing a few seconds to D2 Y(whatever year it is) where people are bitching about weapons that don't kill you within a few seconds
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i feel like meta spamming is mostly the real issue you get a oem paired with drb and nf and people just spam quickplay with that loadout and have "fun" at the expense of players that aren't as capable or don't invest as much time or incapable of investing time in
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They should have never put an archetype killing weapon like this in the game. It's the equivalent of giving a max rof autorifle handcannon damage. You can spam 180 rpm handcannon at max rate of fire with no penalties to speak of. They are by far the easiest handcannon to land consecutive headshots with. It's kinda stupid that they would make a gun like that. It's a cheesy crutch weapon. Idc if you slaved for it or not. It's easy kills. If my nature of the beast could kill on 3rd headshot I'd be unstoppable. But I prefer a challenge to easy mode.
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Anyone who says adapt is in denial. Nf and lunas are clear cut better than everything. They should in no way be better than ace of spades. When one gun dominates 80% of crucible matches then theres clearly something wrong. You can get kills with other weapons, yes, but a weapon should never be the absolute go to answer. Yes, that's a definition of a meta but I've honestly never seen one so unbalanced and lopsided. (Hell I'll take y1 thorn and cross map hawkmoo and pocket infinity over these two guns)
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Remember that summit bungie had with the streamers? They asked for 3 tap HCs back.. They caused this and now ppl are saying they are too strong smh.. this community is bipolar or something. But ask yourself would you grind comp for a Kindled Orchid ? Pinnacle PVP weapons need to be strong. Otherwise what’s the point. Only reason people grind for anything in this game is if it’s OP. Everybody wants a leg up on the competition and/or to pub stomp players with less skill .. Welcome to Destiny I think LH is hella OP.. As it should be..
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작성자: DiZ 2/4/2019 4:38:09 AMLots of words and opinion down below: [spoiler]I wish the sandbox team and/or weapon/armor(especially Exotic) designers would consider the impact of introducing certain things into the game, mainly in regards to PvP. I don't think there's much, if any, PvP consideration when it comes to the inception of most Exotics. You can't just delete or ban something from the game once it's there(unless it's completely game-breaking like the Infinite Tether glitch). But you can be more conscious of how they'll probably impact the game/community once implemented. Things like Wormhusk when it was first introduced(especially in comparison to the other Warmind campaign Exotics), or OEM in its current state. Or in this case, the perk Magnificent Howl. I dislike using NF because it just makes the game exceedingly boring to me. It's a boring, extremely powerful gun in a boring, extremely forgiving and versatile archetype compared to quite literally every other non-Exotic primary in the game. Succeeding with other guns or loadouts is no real biggie in QP, but in things like Rumble(where one-on-one fights are most frequent and matter much more) or high Comp., you really can't use anything else on most maps. Unless you're just that good with TLW/Sniper combo, though mainly the Sniper portion of that. I remember recently getting out of a Rumble session awhile back and the only close games and loss I had were to people running NF/Luna while I tried to give Ace of Spades(console) another chance. And not to rag on those playera, but some of them had quite obviously paid real money, got carried, or barely managed to somehow get them. One game it got to a point where I gave up on Ace and went back to NF to make a nice comeback after being farmed because I just can't kill as fast, and the gun just isn't as adaptive(even though that its archetype's name, ironically). I'd really love to see the underperforming/underused primaries be brought up in terms of at least usability, not even necessarily damage. Handling, Stability, in-air accuracy, maybe even Range for some of them(i.e. Lightweight HCs and PRs). They just don't compete at all when going head-to-head, and have absolutely no place in the meta.[/spoiler]
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31 답변I dropped 50 kills off two 2.00 kd not forgotten users https://imgur.com/a/DGHMyCe The gun doesn’t make them good its just a gun you grind for lol.
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39 답변Congrats you stole an opinion from a true Vanguard video and passed it off as your own.
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4 답변I have them both and I completely agree, they’re way too good. They need to make them their own archetype so they can drop the fire rate.
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1 답변You say you never use Luna’s yet your most kills with any weapon in pvp is Luna’s with 1700 kills... Just stop with the bulls..t Sucks when you can check people’s stats on Charlemagne. Lmao
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I like to stay as even minded as possible and not give in to hysterical thinking or let my ego get affected by anger and say things I’ll regret but these hand cannons really do suck huge, sweaty donkey’s balls and I mean huge sweaty donkey’s balls that are coated in the donkey’s own poo because he’s been eating too much grass and has sharted, farted and splattered diarrhoea all over himself, coating his big sweaty balls in his diarrhoea, and so I’m saying that these two guns are like sucking this unfortunate donkey’s balls when said balls are in this fearsome condition. So that’s a big “I agree” from me.
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1 답변I think they're unhealthy for the PvP side. 180s are incredibly easy to use and hit head-shots with on Console, so LH and NF dominate in most areas. Keeping your distance isn't very effective on most maps since they can easily get close with the amount of cover there is and objective based game modes force you into certain areas. As much as some people on here refuse to believe, average and casual players are needed to help populate the playlists. If they don't think they can compete and stop playing, then you get the usual complaints of long matchmaking times, sweaty games, and more lag. Right now, Crucible isn't really worth playing unless you just enjoy it. The armor can't get enhanced perks and none of the weapons really stand out. Turning the LH quest line into a longer one without a rank requirement, but require you to get the steps done in Comp would get people to care about it. Throwing in some special armor from Comp that can drop with enhanced perks would help too.
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2 답변I feel like the problem is that people have been given 2 maybe 3 seasons to get the gun. If it was exclusive to one season like the claymore we would see it a lot less.
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I don't mind them in the game, but I think matchmaking should only match people with this weapon in their inventory together. That will teach the ones with a 0.4kd who paid someone to get it a proper lesson. I don't have it since I am rubbish at PvP.
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6 답변The majority of luna's user are not that skilled and guns don't make the player. Plain and simple
