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작성자: Grimmra 1/30/2019 5:43:07 AM
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Well, Bungie, you did it. You killed Warlocks.

Final Edit: It seems I wasn't clear enough. Nova Warp needed a nerf. I think it went too far as a nerf, however. Again, I'm a Stormcaller main. Warlocks have a useless class ability in PvP, they have poor maneuverability, and in this recent update the only thing that got a substantial buff was a shutdown super, and even then it's still not great, it's only more viable. This is not a conversation about Nova Warp. This is a discussion about Warlocks as a whole. I know Titan and Hunter mains are going to down vote me into oblivion but this needs to be said. The least used class in crucible just got the heaviest nerf I've seen in my life (60% charge cost, PLUS 6.8 seconds shaved off? Are you serious?) AND got the laziest buffs out of everything listed. Three seconds for Dawnblade is actually nothing. You might as well have said you don't want to tweak it. And an extra target for Stormcaller is absurd because nobody stands that close together in such a large group, it doesn't make sense. The other two classes got substantial buffs, and are in really good spots. Factor in exotics and they're sitting pretty at the top. All three roaming supers for Warlocks are now trash in comparison. The nerfs to NW were taken WAY too far. You'll be hard pressed to get more than two kills with it now. Top tree Dawnblade needs a full rework (Icarus Dash is useless. It needs to dodge further. Fighting in the air with Wings of SD is just putting a target on your face). Stormcaller needs more range, or armor, or damage. Something. If you need any proof, look at the numbers. Warlocks are the least used class in crucible by a long shot. You need to do something about it, Bungie. Edit: This post is focused directly on roaming supers. I'm aware Nova Bomb was buffed and tuned. Please stop bringing it up. Edit 2: I'm for Nova Warp getting nerfed. I'm not happy with how far it went. I'm unhappy with how little the other subclasses got. Stop trolling about NW. Edit 3: Stormcaller main here. Seriously, cut it out with the comments about crutching Nova Warp. You're not offering anything other than toxicity. Yes, I have used Nova Warp. But my primary class has been Stormcaller since TTK.

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  • This is what I said is gonna happen when overused super gets nerfed. People who need the crutches to win will start crying in the front lines. I never used nova warp myself and I’m a warlock main, I use dawnblade and with recent changes I’m more than happy with how I’m doing right now. I did mayhem last night and I always went absolute ham on the enemy teams and some insane kds on those games. I love it. More than anything I die to nova bomb so it is very much viable if you know what you’re doing. Imo, warlock supers ain’t half as bad as Titan ones as I absolutely cannot wreck on that class as I can on my warlock.

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  • I main warlock but only had time yesterday to do the Last Word quest so I hopped on my Hunter as I still believe it is the best class for PvP. Nova Warp IMO was fine and I would get killed in it all the time. It has the Potential to be devastating, but warlock’s needed a good PvP super. They got one and people complained. If anything they just needed to reduce the range slightly. For people that say it was a crutch, I don’t know what to say. You are entitled to your opinion and I’m not gonna bad mouth anyone. It’s a silly debate that needed to be addressed, but not the this extent I feel. Moral of the story is PvP ruins a lot. I like PvP, but this is just ridiculous.

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  • 작성자: LivingIgnis 1/31/2019 1:27:57 AM
    Why hasnt arc staff, and banner shield gotten nerfed yet? Why does arc staff have so much range and get to one shot, while being able to infinitely dodge and now deflect all projectiles. Why can banner shield throw an aggressively tracking and infinitely rebounding one shot shield, block ALL incoming damage while allowing teammates to get an unfair buff in damage, move so god damn quick AND one shot with a light attack while having ridiculous range? WHY DID NOVA WARP GET NERFED EXACTLY?!

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    • Thank god.

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    • Personally I miss self res though I can kinda understand why it's gone. Not much of a PvP guardian these days and yet another super bites the dust because of PvP nerfs. Ruins the gameplay experience for Warlock mains as a whole. Aren't supers supposed to feel, idk powerful?

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    • It's cool on the brightside the nerf to spectral blades was just as bad. Oh wait... Nevermind still OP a'f lol

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      • You have to wonder if Bungie actually test their balance patches. No sentient developer would have shipped this shit.

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      • Bungie: MUST NERF Me: Yeah, I guess Nova Warp is a bit strong. I could understand some reasonable nerfs. Bungie: NO REASON! ONLY NERF! *BANG BANG* Me: Okay, two hits with the nerfhammer, fair enough. I guess we can wait and see how that wo- Bungie: *BANG BANG* Me: Uhh... okay, that's probably enough. Bungie: *BANG BANG BANG* Me: JESUS CHRIST, STOP, IT'S ALREADY DEAD!

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        • Attunement of Hunger > All

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        • I think warlocks are completely fine they just need better exotics. Everything else about them is powerful and can easily compete with any subclass

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          • Don’t know what you’ve been playing, but the nova warp warlocks in my games last night were slaying. Plus, dawnblade is amazing

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          • And ppl say this community's players are a bunch of -blam!-ing cry babies. I dont see it..

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            • OMG WHO THE HELL CARES!

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              • I was warlock main all through d1 n early d2 mostly Nova bomb. That got nerfed to the ground n switched to hunter, all classes were good imo. I also used Titan as well. Went back to warlock when Nova warp arrived but still played the other two classes cuz I still wasn't feeling warlocks. They're too DAMN slow n blink is just not as good as it was in d1. Anyways , I was always able to run away from Nova warps in pvp but occasionally some managed to catch up. I never thought it was over powered, but now I have yet to get killed by Nova warps. I run from them with ease. My first match after the update, I was playing with a group n I called out a Nova warp n laughed at how easy it was to get away. It's to bad I never liked dawn blade n storm caller was never my fav. R.I.P warlocks

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              • I'll say this: as someone that doesn't play a warlock, I'm really glad nova warp is no longer what it used to be. I think we can all agree that it had some serious power and hit issues; I can't tell you how many times I have unloaded a full mag of energy ammo from a good weapon into the face of a Warplock, only to not kill them and have to dodge into cover. And to make matters worse, a lot of times, I'd put a solid wall between me and them, and would still get killed by the blast...through said wall. It was insanely broken and hard to play against, not to mention oddly useless in PvE. I think they took it way too far in how much they changed it, and I think most people can see that's true. The vindictive part of me would love to say, 'That's what you get for abusing a broken wandering super, lose your toy!'...but I'm not 12 anymore. To this end, I'd honestly encourage warlocks to keep playing Novawarp for a while, and really form a good opinion of how it can be changed without making it the holy terror it used to bed. Think about how it fails in comparison to other supers you face, and what you'd like to see done to combat that. And then let's all get together and talk about it, and catch Cozmo's attention, to see if we as a community can help get this ability back onto a better track.

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                • Ok, saying warlocks are dead is a bit extravagant, in pve there great for obvious reason so I’m just gonna talk about pvp, dawnblade is decent, stormcaller is alright, nova bomb is actually pretty good now, but than there’s the little problem of me just saying alright and decent on every single one of those. Nova warp’s nerf was taken way too far! Every class just needs at least one great crucible subclass. Just give sentinels their hit detection, and boom, every class in crucible would’ve been fine! I countered pre nerf nova warps all the time with multiple different subclasses, warlocks aren’t dead, but why they nerfed nova warp into the ground idk

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                  • 작성자: lars1520 2/7/2019 5:19:03 AM
                    I only use one character in D2 and unfortunately it’s a Warlock. This update was definitely a shot to the groin. I played Mayhem earlier, it was fun a while back, now it’s blade barrage central and Nova Warp is now a joke. Update. Just played a couple matches of Gambit and used Nova Warp for the first time. It’s hardly worth the effort, doesn’t last very long or extend as far. Thankfully there’s still Chaos reach to fall back on. Or is that getting nerfed next?

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                  • 작성자: Dardex 1/31/2019 7:29:42 AM
                    I think we're all ignoring the buffs that both Nova Bombs received Kappa

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                    • 작성자: TheOtherGuy 1/30/2019 11:01:20 AM
                      Yesterday in crucible (mayhem). I activated my super (dawnblade) and threw a blade at a hunter who at this moment activated blade barrage. He survived and i dogded his blades. Then i threw another blade at him and he activated his super again. And again he doesnt die from it. This time he killed me. And as im lying there dead i can see that he activated his super again and killed someone else. Balanced.

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                      • The real problem is: bungie takes too much time to adress updates, so when they take action it’s a f-blam-ing hammer down. If bungie updated things more often they could do more soft nerfs, then wait to analize how it performs and decide to do more tweaks or not. For nova warp they should just take away the shutdown mechanic and maybe introduce the slow down while charging thing. Imo this would do it, but if it wasn’t enough then reduce the duration and so forth.

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                        • Damn... [spoiler]sad face[/spoiler]

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                        • 작성자: Buck 1/30/2019 12:02:14 PM
                          Say thank you to the countless wlocks that intoxicated crucible with nova-warp. same as nightstalkers. YOU HAD YOUR FUN AND DIDNT CRY AS LONG AS SUPERS WERE BS. There are people in this game who will ALWAYS go for and play only the overpowered, unbalanced stuff Bungie throws out into a casual game. In a casual game, they want to show how good they are.... Cause it wasnt enough for real multiplayergames, they ended up playing pvp-only in destiny...sorriest players i ever saw: Supermods-nighstalkers with a K/D of 5 and above. And they think they are skillful... Some people NEED this for their selfesteem. I dont need any supers in crucible. Nerf was desperately needed, GJ Bungie. No aim, no brain, nighstalker or novawarp-main!

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                          • I tried nova bomb, Dawn blade, and storm called after the nerf. To make it short, I’m switching to a hunter. Or maybe leave the game in general.

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                            • Nova Warp’s main problem was its range; it was as large as instant use super. On top of that, it’s damage was way too high for one attack. It would kill you mid super if you weren’t at full health or had little resilience. Both are unacceptable for any roaming super with damage resistance. Though I haven’t seen it, I wouldn’t be surprised if the damage nerf was overdone but it’s biggest problem was always its range. I’d like to believe Bungo knows what they’re doing but...

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                              • [quote]Final Edit: It seems I wasn't clear enough. Nova Warp needed a nerf. I think it went too far as a nerf, however. Again, I'm a Stormcaller main. Warlocks have a useless class ability in PvP, they have poor maneuverability, and in this recent update the only thing that got a substantial buff was a shutdown super, and even then it's still not great, it's only more viable. This is not a conversation about Nova Warp. This is a discussion about Warlocks as a whole. I know Titan and Hunter mains are going to down vote me into oblivion but this needs to be said. The least used class in crucible just got the heaviest nerf I've seen in my life (60% charge cost, PLUS 6.8 seconds shaved off? Are you serious?) AND got the laziest buffs out of everything listed. Three seconds for Dawnblade is actually nothing. You might as well have said you don't want to tweak it. And an extra target for Stormcaller is absurd because nobody stands that close together in such a large group, it doesn't make sense. The other two classes got substantial buffs, and are in really good spots. Factor in exotics and they're sitting pretty at the top. All three roaming supers for Warlocks are now trash in comparison. The nerfs to NW were taken WAY too far. You'll be hard pressed to get more than two kills with it now. Top tree Dawnblade needs a full rework (Icarus Dash is useless. It needs to dodge further. Fighting in the air with Wings of SD is just putting a target on your face). Stormcaller needs more range, or armor, or damage. Something. If you need any proof, look at the numbers. Warlocks are the least used class in crucible by a long shot. You need to do something about it, Bungie. Edit: This post is focused directly on roaming supers. I'm aware Nova Bomb was buffed and tuned. Please stop bringing it up. Edit 2: I'm for Nova Warp getting nerfed. I'm not happy with how far it went. I'm unhappy with how little the other subclasses got. Stop trolling about NW. Edit 3: Stormcaller main here. Seriously, cut it out with the comments about crutching Nova Warp. You're not offering anything other than toxicity. Yes, I have used Nova Warp. But my primary class has been Stormcaller since TTK.[/quote] Nova Warp R.I.P.

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                              • The thumbless warlocks are at it again. Never satisfied unless their super is a guaranteed team-wipe. Happened with Self Res, happened with Stormcaller, happening again with NW.

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