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9/27/2018 4:23:25 PM
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Serious question on the "kneeling" controversy

In light of the Nike / Kapernick, NFL players, celebrity, city council woman in New England somewhere,... kneeling whenever the National Anthem is played "TO PROTEST' against the way our nation's black people are treated by the police, Have you ever once asked yourself; How / what are these people doing about it when they are not seen? Not on tv? Not making public spectacle of themselves when the cameras are on? I have yet once to hear about any other than Kapernick himself talk about his reason to kneel outside of the football stadium. Mostly because he's not on the field anymore, but still - what about all those who act as though this is their Alamo moment as well? Are they campaigning, sponsoring awareness drives, discussing the conduct of the police departments WITH the police officials? I am not aware of any. I do not believe that there is "no" issue either. I fully believe that there are corrupt men and women on many of today's police forces that are all too willing to over extend their reach of "law" and do things that are blatantly oppressive against all races, social persuasions, and all manners of financial status, just because they think they can. But I do not support making a stand claiming that all police personnel nor forces are of this level of disreputable behavior. But the kneelers seem to want you and I to believe that all are against the black race only. That is the message that keeps being broadcast, and it needs to end. I'm fairly certain that the Latino community would have as big if not bigger grievance to promote than the black people alone do. But there are not very many Latino football players. I wonder if there were and they knelt if there would be as much of an uproar. Are these same kneelers willing to have meetings and dialogue with the police forces and work for a better understanding and solution to the unrest. For some reason I am doubtful that many of them would be. But doing what they have been doing does NOT solve anything.
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  • When you kneel you tell the millions of Americans who died for your freedom that they don't matter

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      What is really dumb about this whole thing is the national anthem has nothing to do with race related issues. It was written in the War of 1812 when the British mercilessly bombed and mortared a fort in Maryland. They gave the American soldiers an ultimatum: Take down your flag, and we will stop trying to kill you. The Americans refused. So for a day or two, the British did nothing but rain hell on that fort with no rest or mercy. And amazingly enough, the Flag pole that carried the flag, was still standing. And the Flag, although it was burned and ripped apart, was still there. The British just gave up after that, mainly because they wasted most of their ammo. So please tell me in what realm of logical thinking do you think its a good way to protest police brutality by disrespecting THAT?

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      • As much as I dislike Kapernick (for football reasons, I'm a 49ers fan and have never liked him) and whether I agree with his protest or not, he deserves some credit and respect because he put his money where his mouth was. He didn't just kneel, he donated to charities and really worked to improve his community. I don't know about the others that joined in on his protest after he left the NFL though, I stopped looking into it and stopped caring one way or the other. Both sides of the argument aren't open to listening and aren't changing their opinion at all so there's no point in trying to talk to them about it.

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      • Here's my serious question: Why do people care (in a negative sense) if they kneel?

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        • I think it is stupid that they are protesting the flag since it is the symbol of the freedoms they are allotted (like protesting)

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        • For anyone who thinks Kaep is a bad QB watch this https://youtu.be/1I0cUTXwr-k

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          • 작성자: RandyDaGod 9/27/2018 4:37:46 PM
            I think you don’t hear about it because what they do outside of work isn’t juicy enough for the news. Marcus Petters was a on the KC Chiefs for his first couple years and he knelt during the anthem. People in KC only talked about him kneeling. What they didn’t talk about is the time and money he spent with underprivileged youth. I think you don’t hear a voice from the Latino community as far as the NFL goes because they don’t have a huge presence within the NFL. There aren’t tons of latino players(I’m not saying there aren’t any tho.) And dialogue would be the best but like that BLM group in Wichita Ks was denounced by the BLM leaders because “we don’t talk, have dinner, or hang out with police”(I’m also paraphrasing that statement). Check out the Joyner Lucas video called “I’m not Racist”... it’s a good statement on both sides arguments and how dialogue needs to happen. And at the end of the day we’re all humans in this together.

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            • The people making a big deal about it need a -blam!-ing life. Pathetic joke.

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            • They don't want to stand up for a song, they want to stand up for their cause. [spoiler]and I respect that more than some archaic ritual of patriotism.[/spoiler]

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            • Yes it does . It puts it out there so people like you can have your opinion and bring it up ,so other people can discuss it . Protest is a defence of people’s rights on issues that they believe are wrong . Also the right to protest is protected by the US constitution.

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              • 작성자: Catty_Wampus22 9/29/2018 9:14:33 PM
                ITT: a lot of couch potatoes that never served a day in their life talking about 'it disrespects the troops!!!!' GTFO with your fake outrage. If you cared about the troops you would've cared about Walter Reed, Iraq, lack of body armor, how we abandon them as soon as we're done with them.....but ya didn't and ya won't because Fox News never told you to get angry about any of that.

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              • I mean, I've not looked into it personally, but I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out a lot of them have put money into community initiatives etc. Over in the UK, our sportspeople put their money to work, whether it be charity, community projects, youth services... its just not widely reported. But I will say that there is 100% a big disconnect between your police forces and certain communities that needs to be bridged, and you are correct to highlight it.

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              • 작성자: xxx 9/29/2018 10:52:43 AM
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                I don't care. I don't eat at Chick-fil-A because of some asshole in charge is spending company money on politics, I eat there because the food is consistently good, the service is excellent and they are polite. I do not buy Nike, not because some dude took a knee, but because they do not make boots or hikers that I can find. I don't buy Yeti, not because of the NRA, but because I have found that RTIC is better and half the price. I buy shit based on how I am treated, the quality of the service, the product, etc. I do not care about the politics. Do I agree with the knee thing? No, not because of the idea behind it, but because those folks are making millions and they could use some of that money to improve training, purchase body cams, force a change. They could highlight cops that constantly do the right thing, create awards, etc, that would give those police officers a reason to strive even harder to be better. I think the knee thing is weak, just do your job and use your money to effect change.

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                • I’ve just gotten sick of the whole thing in general football was always something that everyone could enjoy but now it seems like it’s becoming heavily politicized as people only care about which side of the fence your on

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                  • Apparently Kapernick does a lot of stuff outside of his protest thing. He’s set up some kind of charity and even went to Africa for a few weeks to help impoverished kids over there.

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                  • I just hate how every "patriotic" issue always uses the military as a scape goat. The majority of us don't care. We've been stuck in an endless conflict for 17+ years...most don't give a shit that people want to exercise their rights as Americans--and the ones who do are usually dumbass social media queens. Just...quit saying person X is disrespecting any person's sacrifice by exercising a right that was symbolically paid for by that sacrifice...it doesn't make sense to say it's your right to protest, but only things we deem appropriate. Protest away--protest me--protest the entire military--protest everything...it's your right.

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                  • I think your question is are the people involved doing anything outside protest, and the answer is yes. With regard to a dialogue, the police departments where shootings have happened have addressed issues w/I department. I think that this isn't a problem that is reflective of most police, but as with many things a few bad actors give others a bad name. However, there really is no point to having a dialogue when there is an attitude that nothing is wrong and this really isn't a problem. At the end of the day, people who care will care, and those who don't give a shit won't.

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                  • This is something I was wondering about as well. It's great that people have the right to protest but if these issues are so important why aren't they doing something about it? This kind of thing is why I don't do the social media thing: people have legitimate complaints....then don't do anything to fix it. Just as a side note here that I want to bring up about this whole kneeling thing. If you are employed by an organization or company and you wear a uniform? While you are on the clock you are representing that organization/company. Kneeling before a game puts your interests before your employers. You are not being paid to voice your personal grievances; you are there to play Football. It's like that woman who refused to give gay men marriage licenses because of her religious preferences even though her very job was to issue these things! This is a matter of professionalism. It's fine if anyone of you guys don't agree but this is my take.

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                  • This is something I was wondering about as well. It's great that people have the right to protest but if these issues are so important why aren't they doing something about it? This kind of thing is why I don't do the social media thing: people have legitimate complaints....then don't do anything to fix it. Just as a side note here that I want to bring up about this whole kneeling thing. If you are employed by an organization or company and you wear a uniform? While you are on the clock you are representing that organization/company. Kneeling before a game puts your interests before your employers. You are not being paid to voice your personal grievances; you are there to play Football. It's like that woman who refused to give gay men marriage licenses because of her religious preferences even though her very job was to issue these things! This is a matter of professionalism. It's fine if anyone of you guys don't agree but this is my take.

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                  • Freedom is not free. It was paid for by the blood spilled on the battlefield by soldiers! ☆Vietnam Class of 1968☆ I Stopped watching NFL games!

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                    • 작성자: Catty_Wampus22 9/28/2018 2:55:26 PM
                      If you go to his website you'll see everything he gives money to and spends time volunteering with. [quote]“I WILL DONATE ONE MILLION DOLLARS PLUS ALL THE PROCEEDS OF MY JERSEY SALES FROM THE 2016 SEASON TO ORGANIZATIONS WORKING IN OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES, 100K A MONTH FOR 10 MONTHS.” – COLIN KAEPERNICK   ONE PLEDGE. $1 MILLION. 30+ ORGANIZATIONS. [/quote] He also runs youth camps. Btw did you see the Sterling Brown tape where a group of cops beat him for..... parking in 2 spots at an empty parking lot of a pharmacy while he grabbed a prescription? One of the cops even says before the beating "I'll do what I want, I own all this right here"

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                    • [spoiler]This is why Im glad I am not Amrican[/spoiler]

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                      • Don't care. Do as you wish, but don't tell me I have to play along or else I'm a [insert buzzword here].

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                      • ... Probably not, it was probably a reach for fame that ended with the NFL losing major cash... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]

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                        • It’s crazy what people will do for attention and how little they will do for change. I personally believe that it is disrespectful to kneel. I am definitely glad that they are protesting they just need to find another way to do it. I also laugh at Nike’s new slogan applied to Kapernick. Kapernick, a man making a million dollars a year that then gets signed to Nike for a couple billion, “lost everything”. Absolutely hilarious.

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                          • Shame Kaep got blackballed for this. Still has decent numbers and can’t find d a team. And if anyone says that Kaep isn’t being signed because he’s bad, just remember that the 49ers are practicing and possibly signing Tom Savage.

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