Let me preface by saying I put in over 1500 hours into Destiny 1. Grinding is a mechanic I’m familiar with. I also find myself less interested in wasting so much time of my life again. As Bungie said, this should be a hobby not a job. I made it a job...mistake. As long as it’s not random dropped, I can tolerate it, but definitely don’t support it. But now I am least likely to ever unlock those subs because they require a ridiculous amount of effort that I’m not interested in doing for foundational mechanics of the game. I peeked for a couple of minutes at someone playing the raid. It was Taken. If the raid is loaded with Taken, I’m not doing it. I can’t stand the Taken more than I can’t stand the Cabal, which is a big reason why I never did the first raid with D2, outside of it looking boring and the rewards seeming to be garbage. The Taken is the worst part of the franchise, and they are worse in D2. They are absolute OP cheese in normal gameplay, so the idea of dealing with them in the raid is a no-go. I can do one section with them, but if they are all the way through and the end boss - -blam!- that. Damn it, I should have just bought Spider-Man...

The problem is not that no one wants to play the raid or can't. The problem is we as consumers paid for the dlc. At paid and expected to have 9 new supers available to us. It should not be locked behind content that the masses as a whole can't ever or won't ever do. I didn't even like that 1 was locked behind the blind well. Not everyone can always have a full fireteam or even get 2 or 3 people to be on the same server with you in the public space. The subclasses should be a rare drop from doing crucible, strikes, heroic adventures, nightfall, things that all have immediate access to.

Too many things are being done this way... forcing you to play modes that you don't like, to accomplish something that should be in the main quest area. It's like having to Go to Best Buy, at 6am on Black Friday, to be able to buy a specific Battery for your TV remote. Sure, you can live without the battery, but until you get the battery, every time you go to Best Buy, it is 6am on Black Friday... It';s fine if it's a Crucible reward in Crucible. If its a Raid Reward in the Raid... Don't bury a KEY ELEMENT in the Raid, You might as well tell people up front, YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO PLAY EVERY MODE, AND MAKE FRIENDS, IN ORDER TO PROGRESS IN THIS GAME. There are a number of people that prefer this game to be a single player experience.

Forcing people to do content they don't normally do-and this is a generalization, not just raiding-in video games never works. Ever. Example from other games: the devs at Blizzard periodically try to put things in PVP, mythic dungeons, higher level raiding, etc. In the previous expansion there were crafting recipes put in rated battlegrounds, which is above casual PVP. It didn't work. It won't work here, and it is especially egregious here because at least in terms of raid things Blizzard provides an in game group finder. I watched the video for the first fight of Last Wish and it doesn't seem HARD (stand on plate, kill knights, damage boss, duck into safe room, repeat) but getting into a group requires out of game sites and whatnot if you don't have a clan that survived Year 1 or a lot of friends. And if you're sub-550, forget getting in with a lot of people. This just won't work, and I'd say that if I was a full time Destiny raider.

I’m not playing the raid because I don’t have time like I used to but this is so stupid that the 3rd subclass is locked behind the raid. It should be acquired easily like the first one was.

Well, reading this comment section has made me realize one thing. Forsaken has definitely brought the hardcore pricks out of hiding. And this is from someone who doesn't mind raiding.

It's was simple PLAY THE -blam!-ING GAME!

typical millennial gamers... stop whining and play the freakin game

Hey newb here, i thought raids in destiny was THE SHIT? Isnt it like the main thing to do in this game?

What's wrong with that? You have to do something that's difficult? I don't see a problem with it.

IKR! Guess I can’t get my last subclass perk -_-

uuuuuhm enlighten me please, are we losing our light again or something?

Oh boo hoo. You might have to interact with other players for once. Don't wanna deal with other people? Play The Witcher.

Here’s where I hope Bungie has learned from the past and doesnt cave to the casuals. This game is back to how it should be where it rewards the better and more dedicated players. If you want something that bad you can come out of your shell and actually do a challenging end game activity for once.