I imagine the "story" will be something along the lines of: > "Guardian I've found something very old and dark, only you can save us" > "Guardian I know what we need to beat it, but it's far away and you'll have to track it down" > "Guardian it's not where we thought it was, there must be another way to beat it" > "Guardian we must take the fight to it" *beats boss* > "Thank you for your help, Guardian, I can sleep well knowing we have you on our side" *roll credits* [spoiler]beat it today, I was right. [/spoiler]

That's all he tends to care about though. The game could be worse then it is and all he would care about is the lore that doesn't even seem to matter or fit into anything.

Destiny could have the best lore in science fiction and the majority of people would still not a give shit and universally claim Destiny’s story 1&2 story sucked ass and rightfully so. Knowing this, this is where loreheads want to feel special for diving into the EU, a lot of them don’t care if the Destiny story is good, they just want to claim the EU lore. In fact, in a lot of ways they rely on the main story to be bad so it gives them a satisfaction that the focus is on lore to compensate. If you look at many of the past threads or post on this site, loreheads will defend lore while consequently accept D1 and D2 narrative as abysmal and the pressure is never on a better story but more lore content. In many ways they rely on the story to be bad so they can bring in a defence argument with ‘lore’ as compensation. This is the problem with Destiny lore EU fans. During the period where everyone was playing D1, these loreheads read the grimoire and took satisfaction in raids and strike conversations in stroking their own ego for going on b.nets site and reading fan fiction. When grimoire got taken away in D2, they lost that status, like byf of being the ‘community loremaster’ and they’ve been wanting it back since. It’s not about whether the story should be good or not to them, it’s about stroking their own ego to defend a bad story by redirecting to lore. If the story was good in Destiny there would be more people who care about lore and that doesn’t sit right with a lot of people who want that special status of being a ‘know it all’. This is why lore in Destiny will always suck, because the community priorities it over main story not understanding that if the foundations of a house is broken, it’s a shit house no matter how much decorations you put on it. The pressure should always be for a better story in the main games, not more push for more lore content. Those wanting more lore content at all, at this point are just trying to segregate an already polarised community more so they can feel more like special individuals for taking the time to read nonsense that will have a high chance of retcon due to the flimsy story management this franchise has had. Again, it’s all about stroking their own ego with Destiny loreheads because they’re one of the few people who back lore in a poor story franchise and that’s done for this reason specifically. That’s why I don’t rate Destiny’s lore and that’s especially why I see right through the lore heads of this community who act like lore is in everyone’s best interest when pressuring for more attention in this realm when really it’s just aimed at more attention to them regardless of the detriment of the quality of the story of this franchise.

I have concerns as well. But Bungo bans free thought so...

Only one Lore Youtuber was invited and it was an afterthought and I'm not sure why Byf wasn't invited to the summit , but his insight on this issue is correct. They focus some much on the gameplay that lore is an afterthought in most respects. It's probably to late to change much in Warmind, but after the shit show of Osiris lore my hopes aren't up about Ana Bray and Rasputin

They don’t care about byf anymore. They didn’t invite him to the summit. He’s blacklisted. Besides, all they care about is the $$$$$

“Destiny creators”??? The “creators” that you are referring to are not creators of anything in the game. They are simply band wagon jumpers who will do and/or say anything on You Tube that follows the popular theme. When D2 came out they were all up on Bungie’s dick. When the majority of the player base discovered what a shit show D2 was these same “creators” jumped on the hate train because it was a more popular opinion and kept their content relevant, which means that their lazy asses continued to have some money coming in through their channels. They are far from creators of anything. Why do you think that the state of D2 is the way that it is? It’s not because of your average casual player. Bungie could give a dick about what you or I think. What they do care about is what your “creators” think because they influence a lot of sheep. Why do you think they invited these people to the summit? Because of their influence over many of you. Think about that.

This is what happens when you tell your lead writer, who is a mutli-#1 NYT Bestselling author and wrote all of Halo that his work is bad after 5 years and he quits on you. Bungie is incompetent. Cannot stress this enough, they're in over their heads and are ruining what should have been a masterpiece of Sci-Fi gaming and storytelling. Do us all a favor, and put the Diablo 3 team in charge >__>

Another streamer/youtuber complaining the game isn’t going their way I love the lore but I’m glad what bungie is doing drives these morons away Edit - this is an unpopular opinion and I’m fine with that Another unpopular opinion is that destiny would be in a much better state if streamers and youtubers didn’t have such a big say in changes that are made And a third unpopular opinion is anybody disagreeing with the first two opinions is a sheep to these streamers, a fool or both :-D

This game has no emotional connection for the player , that is just one reason it is easy to walk away from the game . Master Chief had emotional connection for the player.... Take the covenant for example the simple fact that we understand what they're saying gives the players an emotional connection to WANT to finish the fight . Mass Effect also had an emotional connection for the players not only for team mates but also towards the baddies... D1 and D2 to myself (I know not everyone's view) has zero emotional connection , the characters we create never interact emotionally with anything in the world its always through a ghost (wish we had an emote that would let us shoot it) which is dry and boring..just one gamers opinion not everyone's...

I can't recall, was Byf invited to the summit? Because if not, that would be a testament to how full of sh*t the summit was... Byf has been a huge part of the Destiny community for a long time now. He knows these games inside and out, and not taking heed of his comments on the state of things would be a huge mistake.

Consideringthe narrative leads are children's & young adult fiction writers, I am not confident that they will do justice to anything lore related or be able to write a complex & engaging story. Bungie needs to invite an "adult" sci-fi or fantasy writer to take over. Some one with a series of novels or tv work behind them. This being experience of maintaining a narrative over a long period of time. I wouldn't trust the current narrative leads to sit the right way on a toilet seat, let alone write an engaging story aimed at adult players & not children.

Thanks for the post. I get the feeling that the current narrative team harbors contempt for the D1 story and lore because it impedes/contradicts the direction they want to take the franchise (with regards to narrative). Their tenor when replying to community concerns regarding lore and story feels arrogant, like they want to "win" the argument by disproving retcons or discontinuities rather than addressing and discussing them.

It was the streamers and you tubers that bitched and complained and got us D2. Not sure listening to their opinions is going to help any. Still can't figure out how Bungie doesn't understand their demographic.

Byf doesn't get it. Bungie only cares about lore as far as it might help sell games. It doesn't have to make sense beause most players don't pay that much attention to lore and very few the way Byf does. Byf does a great job with his videos nd obviously cares a lot but in my opinion he cares a whole lot more than Bungie does.

Bungie have heard all the feedback on the story and the lore. They understand they made mistakes with things and they're working hard to make things right. All that said, I'm not sure what the point of a video of concerns is a day before release other than to get views for the content creator. I did hit play on the video and I'm listening to the exact same comments and complaints that have been recycled ad nauseam for months. And sure they were justified, but it's all been addressed by developers. When we've all played Warmind and seen where they're going with story and lore (and this is only a step, Bungie received a lot of deep feedback at the summit and the fall will see even more focus on these things), then we can give feedback on what's worked and been better, worse or the same.

Dan Abnett from Black Library to write future content and lore! kthnxbai!