i want to start this conversation by saying I agree it is difficult to categorise loot boxes as gambling because of the inability to make money and that you are always getting something for your money regardless of its value. I also agree that kids shouldn't have the ability to purchase the engrams with money and if they are then it is the fault of the person who is providing them with money to do so. however i fundamentally believe that destiny and most games these days are using practises that are very similar to that of casinos and that they are predatory. These predatory practises are designed to target people that have monetary addictions and young adults that don't understand (these people have been named whales by the industry, which is sickening). An example of this is that they disassociate the idea that you are spending money by turning your money into a different currency like casino tokens and silver. This has been proven to allow consumers to gamble more freely when dealing with replacement currencies rather than with cash. Not to mention how similar the RNG of the engrams is to the random rolls of slot machines and the whole idea of chance associated with money (risk and reward). the tactics that are being utilised can have serious health risks and the fact that it is woven so closely into the game that you can't get away from it is a problem. I personally do not mind the Eververse (however i hated the dawning for the same reason as everyone else) and understand that the business is trying to make money and i am more than happy to support destiny but the fight against micro-transactions is for them to be implemented in away that doesn’t scratch an itch for those that it would cause a problem. i am not under the delusion that micro-transactions are going anywhere as it make money, that is just a fact. however i completely agree with some of the communities idea that they need to re-implement a book for each season that is purchased for £10 then gives a grind to obtain the items that are at the Eververse and then have the items purchasable out right at the Eververse, for the people that didn't get that one item they really wanted. (Fortnight took this idea from D1 and implemented it into their micro-transactions and are getting praised for it) No more RNG associated with money!!!! if you want support ask for it from the community that is willing instead of targeting whales!!!!