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작성자: Stargazer
12/30/2017 9:26:30 PM
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Remove Eververse take gambling and predatory practices out of video games
READ THE COMMENTS BEFORE YOU POST
it also preys among the weak willed, disadvantaged, and people that need to be protected the most.
I notice a lot of Bungie Defense Force are not sure what gambling means, so ive gone ahead and copied the definition here. But dont take my word on it, please feel free to look it up.
GAMBLING
the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.
the act or practice of risking the loss of something important by taking a chance or acting recklessly:
EDIT 1: Btw i have a few folks muted so i wont respond to them but you will see that in my frustration i didnt explain my points well enough and contradicted myself. Its not the first time and not the last, however im well aware that some states and laws require loss for gambling however i meant you do not need to have a risk of zero prize for a game to fall under gambling.
Edit 2: thank you all so much for the upvotes. I love all my guardian brothers and sisters. even the ones that think theres no gambling in Destiny 2.
But I hate Tess. Screw her.
Edit 3: if you're here to argue that loot boxes arent gambling youll be sorely disappointed.
just read this and make your own post. or post here and keep me on the front page i dont mind.
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[b]Further reading for the interested[/b]
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-casinos-make-you-spend-money-2014-8
do some of those sound familiar?
The mathematical scam behind eververse by CoS Gaming
https://youtu.be/m3qnr35_sZw
a recent Business Insider article about loot boxes from Dec 8th 2017
https://theintercept.com/2017/12/08/video-games-loot-boxes-gambling-gaming-star-wars-battlefront-2/
Pc Insider article from Sept 28th 2017
http://www.pcgamer.com/behind-the-addictive-psychology-and-seductive-art-of-loot-boxes/
The Verge article about loot boxes being gambling in belgium and other countries
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/19/16783136/loot-boxes-video-games-gambling-legal
The Guradian Dec 28th 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/28/video-games-unlock-child-gambling-loot-box-addiction
English
#destiny2
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13 답변https://clips.twitch.tv/FaithfulMistyClipzOSfrog it kills me to see gothalion like this. one of bungies biggest fans.
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2 답변작성자: Lowridertk84 12/30/2017 3:06:04 PMThe ESRB does not see it as gambling but with that said i also see the psychology behind it as well.. i have a link to the article in my post about it https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/241185815/0/0
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4 답변Sure as the weather, it just got leaked that Bungie will in fact be selling weapons, armor, sparrows, and upgrade items for said bought items starting this February 2018. [url]http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh[/url] This information was taken from an Activision/Bungie meeting a few weeks ago. You'll be able to buy things from $1 to even $10, it's not random (probably to avoid the "loot crate" gambling thing), however, sounds like you can only equip one bought item at a time. Take it with a grain of salt.
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14 답변작성자: Mara Sov’s Step Bro 12/28/2017 10:19:41 AMBetter definition. Merriam Webster defines Gambling as Gambling: To stake something on a contingency Contingency: An event which may or may not occur This means even if you get a "prize" every time; its still gambling as the contingency is getting an item of value to you the player.
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1 답변I strongly believe that they should just restructure Eververse and not take it out completely. Turn it into an optional store that you can purchase non random items. Follow the formula most MMO's take with their digital store. Also take Exotics out of Eververse.
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작성자: SpenserGavin 12/29/2017 3:34:20 PMI’ve turned in over 2500 vanguard tokens since last Wednesday trying to get the Positive Outlook (since I picked the scout from Ikora like an idiot) and I’ve gotten so many duplicates of all the other guns and it really seems like the game specifically doesn’t want me to get the -blam!-ing gun as a drop. I finally gave up after getting my 17th Persuader. -blam!- this game and it’s RN-blam!-ingG.
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작성자: Stargazer 12/29/2017 8:23:56 PMThanks to all who have commented! I wont be checking or responding due to having answered the majority of counterpoints being raised. Keep up the good fight and dont let anyone prevent YOUR VOICE from being heard! If a handful of people on the forums are this upset at a vocal stance of many imagine what would happen if we decide to not log in or some other form of action. You are the consumer and you have a say in this! And most importantly we out number the opposition. Dont forget that.
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8 답변There is no gambling at all in Destiny or D2. Gambling is when you have a chance(very high chance) of loosing everything you put in. Eververse gives you something everytime you use silver or bright dust,may not be what you want but you do get something.That is not gambling.
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1 답변Why are idiots trying to defend micro transactions... the only way they will leave the gaming community is that if we make it some what illegal to do so, until then they are here to stay so why just why are people trying to be smart and out smart anyone agreeing with this post.. some -blam!-ing people man
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작성자: Sploads 12/29/2017 6:02:41 AM[quote]Edit 3: if you're here to argue that loot boxes arent gambling youll be sorely disappointed. just read this and make your own post. or post here and keep me on the front page i dont mind. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-casinos-make-you-spend-money-2014-8 do some of those sound familiar? https://youtu.be/m3qnr35_sZw [/quote] Yeah Sounds like a massive stretch. In simply terms, you are lying. Edit: What loot boxes actually are: Another source of "loot". It even says it in the name. Who knew? -_-
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16 답변That definition is so vague. Considering your defintion, kids should not be able to download games period as time can be argued as very important.
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5 답변Parents could monitor their children instead of giving them a controller and calling it a day.
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4 답변작성자: BossCharacter 12/29/2017 12:18:15 AMFunny thing about a lot of people who post like this that leverage “under age gamers” as the reason to harbor offense about this system honestly would care less about the issue if they themselves did not benefit.
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1 답변Dis your uber driver I ma outside youre house Also here yu need dis https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/darnellkemp71/logical-fallacies-2010
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9 답변Kids? Yep, this is totally gonna push my kids to hit up the nearest casino. Get lost.
