Americans have done themselves a hearty disservice by promoting a perpetuating a distinct lack of value for a well-rounded education. The STEM circlejerk is so strong that nobody values things like art, literature, or history anymore. Entire wars like the Civil War are footnotes in a chapter that gets glossed over in class and never revisited. It's no wonder we're seeing a resurgence of hateful rhetoric like neonazis and white supremacists. And then we have people playing the neutral/centrist card, who refuse to take a position on such hateful people. No. There are actual neonazis and white supremacists marching in the streets. They're assaulting people. They're killing people. There is no kind-hearted Klansman. There is no "good" neonazi. You would think that opposing neonazis and white supremacists would be something that people of all political affiliations could quickly unite on. Apparently not.

When I'm condemning the alt right because they commit a terrorist attack such as bombing a mosque, threatening to kill muslims on phone calls, verbal harassment in public, and more I don't want to hear the "but what about the alt left." When I am condemning the alt left for being violent and fanning the flames by being wild and extreme, I don't want to hear "what about the alt right?" There are times for discussing how bad they both are and there are times where we're discussing how bad one is currently being. There is never a time for both at once since everyone on this site makes it out to be, if you're condemning the alt right ya gotta condemn the alt left too. For example: [quote]Let's say the Alt right goes to a mosque, burns it down, and shouts racial slurs and obscenities at Muslims trying to escape while spitting on them and punching them while removing their hijabs and tossing them into the fire.[/quote] When this happens I am going to discuss how terrible the alt right is. [i]These forums have the audacity to spam that thread with "what about the alt left."[/i] By constantly saying blame both sides when one side isn't actively involved, takes away blame on the other to make them both equal. At that point in time it's time to condemn the alt right, not both. This site also wants to claim we should blame both sides but neglects to show the same blame towards the alt right. Users on here will upvote ANTIFA hate and condemning, but when someone creates a thread about the alt right, kkk, Naźis, etc, that thread is instead filled with people calling the alt right a myth, explaining that Naźis are socialists, "what about the alt left", etc. This double standard/hypocrisy of trying to bring us to condemn both isn't working on this site since many of the users can't condemn their sides extremists. Yes punch the hell out of a naźi, America fought for against them, but [i]don't[/i] go out punching random conservatives because they don't like abortion. Yes, arrest antifa for vandalism, they're breaking the law and there's much better alternative methods to vandalism, but [i]dont[/i] go "liberal bowling" and threaten to shoot someone who is a regular liberal because they're transgender. These forums love to say hate on both but they wont. Users like Echo, Max, Steg, and more will post hate about the radical opposing views but defend their own with stupid rhetoric about freedom of speech and oppression. And you know what's not helping? Everyone on this forum who agree with those people and then runs around claiming ya gotta blame both sides on other threads. Off-topic needs to do a reality check and a complete rework of their ideologies before they can criticize anyone for not blaming both parties.

We have "alt right" lunatic terrorists killing people and radical leftists who go to these rallies but don't vote. There is no comparison between the mental illness of the right and the pure idiocy on the left, something needs to be done about these conservative groups.

The thing is, logic does not win in a battle of emotions. As a fellow liberal, I am practically hated by every angle of the political spectrum, since I do my utmost to avoid these emotionally charged, sophist arguments that are made by both extremes; especially the left in this case. For some reason, denouncing a group of faux communists that cause riots, property damage and other forms of violence to advance a cause they ironically call "anti-fascism," makes me a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] sympathizer in the eyes of many. As much as I despise President Trump, I saw zero issue with his denouement of violence on "many sides," since there was indeed violence, on many sides.

No only the white [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] do violence against others and you should be ashamed for calling out others you alt-right sexist Trump supporting white supremacist. You are no better than the spokesmen for the KKK, such as Morgan Freeman, Dave Rubin, and Condalisa Rice. The violence at the rally was directed at the peaceful BLM and Antifascist who did nothing but stand peacefully. And the fact that you would defend these racists is despicable. Either you are righteous and you fight hate by killing these white racists peacefully or you are a [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] sympathizer by speaking out against us. [spoiler]#sarcasm if you cant tell. And if can here is +1 internet cookie.[/spoiler]

Counter protesters did not have a permit to protest on that day, so essentially they are the ones at fault (though i do agree the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] group went ballistic in the end with the car) Simple concept people: as soon as you become violent (pushing, punching, kicking, vandalism, etc), you are no longer protesting. That shit should be shut down as soon as it escalates. Be asked to disperse or get tear gassed and arrested. Remember the few at a different protest that got run over for blocking traffic? They didnt die thankfully but impeding the flow of traffic is not a peaceful protest, get the -blam!- out of the way. Lastly, to anyone who says im a not-c sympathizer, im not. I do not respect any group that causes problems for society. Do they have hate filled speech? Yep...but so do the ones who want cops dead, antifa extremists, blm extremists, and so forth. Welcome to america.

I hate the idiots on this site who are [i]convinced[/i] that everything is completely the other side's fault. Those people are pure AIDS cancer.

As someone who's views could very well be considered radical, I'm going to have to disagree with your diagnosis. Radicals aren't the problem, the problem is people who think violence is an acceptable means for getting what they want. Ideologically this is true of fascists and the dominating majority of communists, but it has no inherent in radicalism itself. Many early abolitionists were very much radical, and the majority of them didn't support violence.

You know what shouldn't be hard to grasp? Condemning Nazism. But here with are with some more "both sides!" BS.

The mainstream media does that they focus on a small group and they make you think it's the majority.

When i read posts like this it makes me sad that our schools are failing. Maybe youre young and nieve so i'll try to explain this as best i can. There is a difference between your standard fringe politics and what is happening today, this is not normal. Standard fringe is just that, an inconsequential fringe. They can think what they think and say what they say but have no power to wreck everything america stands for. We have allowed fringe fascists to exist because until now they had no platform, no allies in real power, allies who owe their very political success to them, and who will need their votes and support in 3.5 years if they want to stay in power. Naz!s are a known evil, its not a simple difference in policy, but a true evil. Given a chance to get close enough, their intent is to destroy freedom and traditional american values. They are a clear and present danger to the free world itself. Nobody praises the weimer republic for giving naz!s a platform to grow. No, we say "knowing what we know now, its too bad no one stopped them before they got started, imagine how different the world would be if those three hundred million plus people didnt have to die." These are n@zis, they are not something new that is yet to be judged, we know who they are and what they want, and one of them just committed an act of terror in charlottesville. Freedom is fragile, it must be defended. If we are so politically correct that we allow fascists to use the freedoms of our constitution as a weapon to destroy the constitution we will have failed. The groups opposing this existential rise in hatred and fascism are operating under the historically proven truth that [i]"the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"[/i]. You see, unfortunately peace, love, songs, and pretty flowers dont work to stop n@zis, and naz!s must be stopped. [i]"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - pastor martin niemoller, a survivor[/i]

Right handed people are better than left handed people. Sorry, but it's true.

Because that's the goal of partisan politics. The point is to divide us so much as soon as someone hears "I'm a conservative/liberal" if they're on the wrong team everything they think or say can now be automatically dismissed because only a -blam!-ing idiot would support that party!!! Are you right 100% of the time? I know I'm not. Yet that's not allowed with partisan politics. My side is [b][u]always[/u][/b] right and its actions justified and the other team in always wrong. And even when it's the same -blam!-ing thing they refuse to accept it because at least their team is better than those other guys.