Is it just me or does the grenade launcher shoot potatoes?

You are 100% right. People who are happy with the slow charge rate for supers and abilities seem to be forgetting something. This isn't CoD. This game takes place in a universe where "space magic" is real, supers and abilities should charge faster. If they want to, Bungie can create a game mode for people who want to play a primaries only PvP. No one plays Destiny to play a game based only around "gun skill". Also, the "power" weapons are unbelievably underpowered. Imo, Destiny has taken a turn for the worse. Ive ran every subclass, strike, story, PvP... im trying to convince myself to be optimistic and excited, but i keep feeling more and more disappointed

Pve fun only last for so long. Destiny would have died within a couple months without pvp. Obviously it's going to be tit for tat.

Is anyone even playing PVE in the Beta ... My strike teams have been consisting of two people ....game is pretty boring

TL;DR If you don't have the capacity to read 8 paragraphs...I am sorry. This is so disappointing. I have not played the beta and from what I've read from around the internet I will not be buying the game on release. This coming from someone who spent a great deal of time with Destiny 1. As both a PvE and PvP player. Weekly raids, Trials, IB, on all 3 of my characters. I bought every expansion and stuck with it for years through all its ups and downs. But I just can't buy into this direction Bungie is taking. For me and I imagine many others the reason Destiny was exciting was because in the age of Mindless Multiplayer Shooters, Destiny had something different to offer. It had a fun, challenging PvE experience that harkened back to the good ol' days of first-person shooters. This is not to say I don't enjoy PvP because I do. I'm even happy that they're trying to balance supers to be less impactful in that regard (Hell, I'd be fine if they were blocked from PvP entirely). I'm even okay with weapon loadout changes as they apply to PvP. However, as I said what made Destiny different was the PvE element, the RPG elements, the grinding Omnigul for that damn Grasp of Malok. And these changes completely ruin PvE, in my opinion. If I wanted to play a PvP centric game I would go and get one of the many other ones. Destiny doesn't offer anything better or different than anything that's out there in this regard. And making it more or less balanced isn't going to change that. With Overwatch overshadowing everything (unfortunately) Bungie can't hope to compete and other upcoming releases, Battlefront, CoD Whatever, Lawbringers, Fortnight, Splatoon 2 (I guess), Battlefield, Quake, Paladins, so on and so forth. Bungie needed Destiny 2 to stand out from the crowd and I don't feel like they've done that here. The sad thing is Bungie knows exactly what they're doing. These aren't some amateur game designers "testing things out" they know exactly how the loadout changes and ability charge times affect gameplay and they have committed to this direction. Having a better story won't matter if no one can be bothered to play through it because the gameplay is no fun. If you ask me ( I know you didn't) this was a business decision first and foremost. Destiny 1 had little to no esport presence because the PvP aspect of Destiny was an unbalanced mess for a variety of ever changing reasons. Destiny 2 aims to change that. Sponsors are more likely to support teams of 4 rather than teams of 6. Reducing the amount of times players can use weapons and abilities that result in "no skill kills" makes it more attractive on an esports platform and will attract more skilled players. I believe Bungie wants to attain their Halo 2 esports presence again. Follow in the massive footsteps of esport successes like Overwatch and League. That's where the money is right now and there's obviously a great deal of people who are interested in that sort of thing. Bungie may claim they are a developer "for the people" but this is simply untrue and has been shown time and time again. Destiny is simply a money making vehicle for them to cruise around town in and shout "And as always we're listening and your feedback matters" and then complement each other on how good at PR and marketing they are. I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong. I would love to see meaningful change before the final release. I would love to play an engaging FPS with a great story-driven campaign, riveting PvE encounters with a side of competitive PvP. But I don't believe, at this point in time, Destiny 2 will be that game. I don't believe Bungie is the developer they used to be. I don't believe you read this far. Thanks.

Edit: There is no way bungie can ignore this post or[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6obto7/the_focus_on_pvp_is_heavily_affecting_pve_in_a/] this one[/url]. Ifs they have to say something. Both b.net an reddit are on the same page? WHEN HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED?

Definitely understand what you mean. I hope they balance pve better when the game drops. For pvp, they are trying to keep it as clean and ability free as they can to not affect balance, but they do not need to do that in pve. The changed supers are cool, so let me use them often, and why does it take so long to get grenades and such? It definitely needs to be tweeked. It's a little bothersome cause the point of destiny 2 is to make sure they nail everything right this time, and instead it looks like they are just trying to take shortcuts. It is a beta though, and there is still a month and some days to go before release. I really hope bungie is looking at the communities thoughts and jotting them down.

feedback is OK but this is presumptious on the back of just one mission and one strike that PVE is being sacrificed PVE may well be different in Destiny 2 but I am not sure that will be a bad thing. The strike seemed focused on mobility rather than a largely static boss who can be taken down by 3 gallys and a WOL. Right to ask questions but these posts seem to be assuming the worst.

I can say in all honesty, I have always been a destiny fan from year 1. I enjoy PvP, but suck at it. Have always been a pve guy at heart, and that's the kind of games I look for. I know this was a beta, and what we got to do was very limited. From what I have seen for my self. PvP sucks. But I anticipated that from the beginning. It will take me awhile to not be terrible, I am fine with that. But pve is God awful. I hope that this is the shitty strike. I don't feel like I am in a war. I feel under powered. I want my shot gun,fusion rifle, sniper, kind of weapons, along with rocket launcher, gernad launcher. To kick ass in this war. I feel like I have 2 pea shooters, to take out 99% of everything I fight. That's not a war. That's appeasing a different aspect of the game. I am glad I also only purchased the base game. From someone who never complained. And always threw money at the screen. I feel like this game may be a disappointment to me. I hope I am wrong.

Increase power ammo drops (PVE), increase duration of golden gun, break up subclass perk trees, Give us more int. str. disc. customisation + more agility/recovery/armour customisation. Done.

I don't care for the new weapon selection and think it will hurt pve gameplay.