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7/18/2017 10:23:58 PM
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Destiny 2: Is this a joke?
I'd like to start off by stating the obvious. Anyone who has played or watched gameplay of the Destiny 2 Beta has surely already noticed: it's incredibly underwhelming. There's no character or weapon progression, no patrol mission, not even a social space, save for one hour on Saturday, when I and surely many others will be working, so, I guess we're just out of luck. The Alpha of the original Destiny had at least twice the content.
But maybe Bungie didn't want to reveal too much, maybe there were other motives, I'm sure they had their reasons. (Even if those reasons revolve around a prank)
But all that aside, this is the main concern that I've had with the game thus far. Feel free to respond with any other concerns/comments, I'd love to hear more feedback.
So it looks to me like the entire game was built for PVP players. There are no longer secondary weapons, just 2 types of primary, with no elemental damage effects on one of said types. Both types have the same kinds of weapons, and the snipers and shotguns have now been moved to the power (heavy) weapon category.
What?
There were multiple players (including myself) who used snipers and shotguns every chance they got against any PVE enemy, especially bosses. And what a treat it was to find a coveted pack of heavy ammo, and fire off a few rockets or LMG clips into the weak spot on a Fallen Devil Walker, before going empty and then falling back to hit them with your sniper from afar. Now, you get your heavy ammo, and you have to choose between a rocket or two, 7 shots from a sniper, or 4 from a shotgun before resorting back to lethargically firing one of your collection of nearly identical auto rifles, until you find another clip of ammo from your favorite weapon.
It's as if there used to be 3 tiers of weapons, and now there's somewhere around 1 and a half.
I know some PVP-Exclusive players may enjoy this, no secondaries means now everyone has to use primaries and can't run around with a shotgun the whole game. (Unless you were a halo player, in which case you might have appreciated having the goal of getting to the special ammo before your opponent to get that edge on them. I personally place myself in that group) but now there's far less enjoyment for PVE players who have always enjoyed the weapon diversity, and in turn, the different play-styles it developed.
PVP has a problem, and PVE suffers for it.
So is this a PVE/PVP Roll Playing Game/First-Person Shooter? Or is this just a PVP First Person Shooter? Because so far it looks to me like the entire game is built to favor the latter, and let me tell you: If I'm going to spend $60+ on Call of Duty, I'm going to buy the real thing.
Thoughts?
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1 답변Are people seriously complaining about the lack of content in a [i][b]beta[/b][/i]? And then wondering if the content in the main game is going to be similarly lacking? It's a beta for christ's sake. It's just a systems test and a little taste for us fans, not a game demo. I'm glad they aren't making the same mistake they made 3 years ago. As a primarily PvP player in Destiny, this is the best version of PvP in Destiny since Y1. It's simply just hands down better than any Crucible meta since the launch of the Taken King. There is no question. As for PVE, I found the story mission in the beta to be far better than any story mission in the first Destiny. It seems like there's an actual story to tell, kept me engaged and I'm looking forward to the next story mission.
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6 답변Very good points and I am both a PVP and PVE player. I think a better design, since they cannot fully separate the two environments like I believe they should, is leave the weapon slots in the beta for PVP but in PVE they change it to resemble primary, secondary, heavy. Where it puts the snipers, fusions, shotties back in a secondary slot.
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작성자: Ahhsenberg 7/20/2017 10:06:38 PMMy thoughts are that we'll be told to go play Destiny 1 if we want that PvE experience. Just like how they said to "try strikes" or "play in custom games" when pressed about PvP issues. Bungie wants you to play their game how they want... remember that.
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작성자: slipSTREAM68 7/20/2017 5:32:43 PM@JimiTheCannon I actually like everything I saw in the preview of D2 and playing through the opening mission, strike and two crucible modes, its not bad for a beta. I get you are trying enroll others into being outraged and to be honest, you don't have to try that hard. People these days get more satisfaction from raging about things they can't control then enjoying life. Does Bungie have to work through mechanics in terms of kill time, damage output, etc - yes, but that is the point of releasing the beta and getting our feedback. Dude, if you don't like the game don't buy it.
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1 답변작성자: meatballsublime 7/19/2017 2:52:00 PM[quote]If I'm going to spend $60+ on Call of Duty, I'm going to buy the real thing.[/quote] Here's the thing for me: 1. I agree with your sentiment. 2. I personally don't want CoD (or Halo, for that matter). 3. I [i]want [/i]Destiny. There are certainly aspects of the changes that I like with D2, such as a gun-focused PvP. However, PvE looks to have taken another Johnny Cage punch to the groin. This has really gotta stop. On a side note, I personally find it kind of ironic that we still have no dedicated servers, but the entire game is PvP-centric in terms of gameplay now. "Let's further elevate PvP's influence, but fail to level the playing field by fully removing P2P." Just seems silly.
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20 답변Agreed, After having played the beta for Destiny 1, I find a lack of content or anything you do in the beta for Destiny 2 be highly disappointing. One strike and one story Mission, that's it? The crappy new double primary weapon Load-Out in every other weapon being pushed into the "power" slot makes all weapon loadouts for PVE completely ridiculous. And it's all for the sake of PVP. I can't wait to try to fight a boss like Atheon or Crota with only two Primary Weapons and everything else as power weapon, which you get limited ammo for. I played the living crap out of Destiny 1 for its entire lifespan, up until about a month-and-a-half ago. AOT was over, my clan is deserting left and right , so I decided to quit playing because there is nothing to do. If Destiny 2 can keep the content fresh and actually updated for PVE then we will play, but I'm not playing PVP over and over and over again. I am so tired of this PVP motivated mess up of PVE over and over. TLDR. The beta has only one story and one strike to do for PVE and I hope this is not indicative of the content coming for Destiny 2
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4 답변I agree with you! Look at the large roll snipers played in 1 in pve. Every raid had a boss that it was vital to use a sniper, then a rocket launcher. Now we must choose? I could care less about pvp, I mean it's a fun break from the grind, but that's why iron banner was once a month and not constantly. Because the majority of us were there for the missions. Now the only thing left in 1 for people to do is trials, so all bungie sees is pvp players. That's because we ran out of stuff to do and moved on. But we all planned on coming back when we had more stories to see and missions to complete. The strike boss in 2 is a complete bullet sponge, why? No snipers! So that's what we get now? Inactive bullet sponge bosses and extremely competitive pvp? Not what I want! I didn't spend $220.00 dollars on the glorified call of duty collectors edition!
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2 답변작성자: Mickey Padge 7/19/2017 3:18:24 PMMelee nerfed, grenades nerfed, movement nerfed, charge times nerfed, ttk nerfed, weapon perks nerfed, subclasses nerfed, weapon loadouts nerfed, pvp game sizes nerfed and more...
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1 답변I'm about to say -blam!- it and just not even buy it, and I'm not flashing my not buying it, I want to like it. Everything about it pisses me off. It's all Activision and them trying to push this ESports scene for Destiny that will never ever happen.
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1 답변Very well argued points. Thanks for saying what I was thinking. The ammo drops in the game were bad...I kept running out of primary and secondary ammo (since most bosses were bullet sponges and no clear power weapon that could do a ton of damage -The Division anyone)? Did Bungie play The Division for the past year and just copy elements from it (Mods, and bullet sponge enemies). And back to bullet sponges, if I unload 11 (yes eleven) grenades (from the Power Weapon *smirk* grenade launcher) into the final boss in the Inverted spire Strike...it should do major some damage. It did so so damage. Grenade launchers are very underwhelming. Destiny Beta gets an 8 out of 10.
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1 답변I agree with op. I bought destiny because i understood it was a pve game. holly shit am i wrong. this pvp crap has to stop. pve is the heart and soul of destiny.
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1 답변Good call bub. I share your thoughts. I play both PVE and PVP and the Beta has disappointed me on both counts. This seems to be an example of making major game changes just to say that you made them! I really liked the old system it was simple and elegant. Now we find ourselves running around with 2 way underpowered auto rifles and praying for a heavy drop (which does not come very often). This is just not fun :( I found myself switching weapons back and forth only when I ran out of ammo as opposed to having a real reason to take advantage of the other slots.
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9 답변I agree. I loved both PvE and PvP in Destiny, but now I hate PvP because what it has done to PvE. I used primarily snipers and fusions in PvE and PvP, and now I have to use a Primary for 90% of the time in both modes...
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1 답변Fully agree with your comments. I honestly don't buy the "but it's a beta"-excuse as the game-play and mechanics will not dramatically change between now and when the game goes gold (probably mid August). While the full game will introduce progression, loot drops, inventory, vault and then activities which we have not seen, the core-game-mechanics will remain the same with the only option to tweak parameters on it (cool-downs, dps, RNG etc). It was surprising to note that the "infinite-super-bug" is back and the strike mechanics is quite linear / uneventful - this will probably be "fixed" by increasing damage/difficulty of enemies, but it will not change the fact that at least the current strike has literally no mechanics other than being a bullet sponge. Bungie will probably "fix this" by introducing overengineered raid-mechanics (looking at you penis-wall or the oh-so-buggy WoTM). I will be surprised if Bungie provides some honest/transparent feedback after this beta - judging from history, I doubt it though...
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2 답변I like that Snipers and Shotguns are in the Heavy category. They can be more powerful without the requirement of constant tweaking. The stats on the shotgun the Titan starts with is pretty insane. But you won't hear too much screaming about a nerf because it's now Heavy, and heavy ammo is severely limited. As for PvE, i agree that the ammo seems too sparse. Running out of ammo all of the time and it's insanely annoying on the boss of the strike when he's in his do so phase. That's not cool Bungie. Boss is running around with No head like a madman. I have no ammo to kill the ten million adds that spawned. I can't do anything at all until you give us that free ammo that comes when you're out of it for a while. Pointless. Just give us more ammo drops. Everything else though, I don't agree with you. Like I said, I like the shotguns and snipers in the heavy slot. Our abilities do recharge just fine. Our grenades and Melee charges will charge faster when we have access to all of our skills. And so will our supers. So It's slower than it will be in the final release of the game.
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Yea, the new weapon set up SUCKS The guardians move sloooooooow as molasses Weapons are SUPER weak Heavy ammo barely drops at all Supers take FOREVER to charge 4v4 is boring and STILL has lag Yea, D1.5 is gonna suck, best to play other games👎🏻
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2 답변Just a note to everyone pointing out to OP that this is, in fact, a beta. He acknowledges this in the first sentence of his post.
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3 답변As a D1 beta player (yes I am being an elitist here), I welcomed PVP with open arms when it began to grow. Trials of Osiris was some of the most fun PVP I have ever played. I used to patrol these forums and hate on the whining people complaining about how PVP is too hard and PVE needs more etc. I thought that the PVE in D1 was great, but PVP was truly the end game. After reading all of these comments, before I even play the beta myself, I am feeling a change of heart on the issue. Destiny was only so amazing in Y1 because of the PVE content and the Strikes and the boss fights with your friends. If Bungie really is moving away from this aspect of the game then there really isn't going to be a reason to play this game as much as most of us played D1. I believe Bungie needs to focus on the PvE content and leave the competitive sweaty play as a sub-game mode. I'm realizing that the reason I enjoyed D1 so much is that I was able to casually raid or strike or play crucible without trying too hard. I don't want to have to sweat my ass off as if I'm in game 9 of ToO at all times. There is no fun in that, though there is a time and place for it.
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1 답변You can thank all the nerfherders that cried about everything that killed them in D1. Because of that we now have PvP balance and no more RPG elements of any kind in this game. I don't think I have seen a bigger collection of whiny crybabies on any game in the history of gaming than you will find on Destiny. They caused this terrible sequel that will be a massive failure.
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1 답변There was an incredible amount of support for PvE over PvP, so what does Bungo do, they push even more for PvP. I actually would rather go back and play D1 again than continue the D2 beta. I don't think it's going to change much either. This wasn't a real beta. This was a hype builder for a mostly finished product. A real beta would open up much more of the game and look for glitches/exploits/etc.
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Bang on I have just done a thread which says a lot of the same, I LOVE the PVE in destiny but despise PVP! The PVP is destiny is weak and will always be weak, you have games like COD, Battlefield, Titanfall and others whereby the focus is built for PVP and they have spent years building it, and people still moan about balance, so leave that to them and stick to what kept people coming back over and over in D1, PVE, strikes, raids and LOOT DROPS/ENGRAMS. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/229230369?sort=0&page=0
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This is what i am thinking thats why i am not gonna buy the game and have already canceled my pre-order. I will wait for the reveiws (not the reveiws of the destiny youtubers because they are baised towards bungie) and then decide.
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1 답변작성자: DeusFever 7/19/2017 4:31:50 PM[quote]not even a social space, save for one hour on Saturday, when I and surely many others will be working[/quote] I also won't be available for the hour long social space preview. I'm sure folks who visit the farm will receive a special chicken emblem that I will always regret not having. [quote]PVP has a problem, and PVE suffers for it.[/quote] This has been true for all of Destiny 1. The only real solution is to separate PvP from PvE. Or remove PvP altogether. Instead we have no special weapon slot in PvE, we move slower, and our abilities take 5x as long to charge. All because Bungie is trying to bandage a broken game mode.
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1 답변[quote]So it looks to me like the entire game was built for PVP players. There are no longer secondary weapons, just 2 types of primary, with no elemental damage effects on one of said types. Both types have the same kinds of weapons, and the snipers and shotguns have now been moved to the power (heavy) weapon category.[/quote] Bump for sanity. Not only does Destiny 2 hurt the PvE game for the sake of PvP, it looks like this is the path going forward. Sorry Bungie, I am not going to support 4v4 only competitive game play for the sake of professional streamers. Make Crucible a separate game mode. Let it die. I just don't care about Destiny PvP anymore.
