I’ll probably get shit on for this but oh well. That op, cool story...but damn your hypocrisy is next f’n level. You spend all this time calling out the “haters” who are “bitching” about Destiny 2 (while later saying you’re fine with fanboys, I might add), and somewhere in there you mention that you’re wary of what seems to be a more restricted pvp experience. No no, you weren’t “wary” when you created a whole topic after the 1st reveal to complain about 4v4 — [quote]If this is because of the crappy P2P connections and this is your way to "fix" the problem then I seriously question your desire to improve this game. [/quote] Hmm, that's a pretty harsh damnation of Bungie for someone who doesn't like “haters” who bitch and moan. Because like you said, “the haters always crucify Bungie and Activision for wanting to make money above all else … But think about this... Would Bungie/Activision be better served to make more money if the game sucked big donkey balls or if they improved upon the massively successful release of Destiny 1?” Good question. Hmm, I don’t know, you tell me — [quote]This is the epitome of a AAA title, with more resources at it's disposal than probably all the smaller developers combined. If you can't fix the connection issues or invest the $$ required to implement dedicated servers (like so many other games have), and your simple "solution" is to simply restrict the size of teams, then I am starting to side with the "haters".[/quote] Weird. That seems... inconsistent. Maybe that was the last of it? Or not... [quote]This wreaks of laziness, carelessness, and unless changed before release, it exposes Bungie as completely out of touch with their own fans.[/quote] Holy crap that's the epitome contradicting yourself. Did you forget you wrote that? I mean, you even said the dreaded "unless changed [i]before[/i] release" line. Yikes. I know I know, you said that a whooooole month ago, ahem... right after you heard something you didn't like in the 1st reveal... so you immediately came on here to "bitch and moan" before getting more information. Bold strategy, Cotton. Because, using your logic, that post you created puts you in the category of "those who prefer to drop a deuce on it's metaphorical chest like a depraved fiend who isn't happy until they make a mess of someone else's happiness to match their own misery." So my question for you is, how are you going to head into launch? You know, [i]besides believing that Bungie is completely out of touch with their own fans[/i]. If you are going to buy it but are already bitching about it, why are you even buying it? And why are you here "bitching" about other people "bitching" when it appears that you were also "bitching"? Seems to me the only reason is to make others miserable and to validate your own opinion because you are perpetually unhappy and demand that others suffer along with you. But yeah, GG.

The only reason I want to play it is to play with my clan mates. That being said the game doesn't really have me that hyped and I think I have come to the realization that I would rather work more and do things like learn another language rather than "waste" a month a year on this game. It was a good run, I'll miss you guys, best of luck to everyone in D2. Maybe, MAYBE I'll come back if Voidwalker has blink- but I kind of doubt that will happen.

There's no in between. If you're critical of the game at all you're called a troll and a hater and just plain mean spirited like the grinch. Say anything nice about the game you're called a sellout fanboy who's just kissing a$$ and a Benedict Arnold. Is there no middle ground!! I think it is possible to like a game and yet to still give constructive criticism.

Logic ain't welcome round these parts, partner. Best move along now.

Liberal hippie

I'm a simple gamer with simple needs. I played the Destiny beta and had fun shooting shiny light from a flaming gun. So I pre ordered Destiny. I liked shooting milk robots and alien spiders so I got the dlcs. I had fun killing Crota so I got TTK, and I loved the Iron Lords so I got RoI. I love Cayde 6 and want to do more space magic with new shiny guns so I preordered Destiny 2. If at any time I stop having fun I stop playing, and I don't need to tell everyone about it, I actually stopped for a couple months a little after age of triumph. My brother got Destiny the collection for $30 (no not mad I wouldn't trade those early experiences for anything) so now I'm playing again with him. It's all for fun

[b]When it comes to my general D2 outlook, I'll post something I've posted a couple times on Reddit:[/b] At some point, staunch naysayers have to stop and realize that they are being "that guy". The one that shows up before the release of [i]every[/i] video game to tell us how they are underwhelmed, upset about X, Y & Z and cancelling their preorders. "You" have to be self-aware enough to realize that you are probably overthinking some things, undervaluing others, being nostalgic in some respects and nitpicking in others. While, yes, we absolutely need to stay on top of Bungie to give us the best possible product, many of the criticisms I'm seeing are premature. Based on limited information and a whole lot of assumptions. What we are [i]really[/i] looking for, that "feeling", will be there in D2. Bungie still knows how to trap lighting in a bottle. They still know that recipe for the secret sauce that makes playing their games a joy. *30 Seconds of Fun* Mantra etc.... IMHO, their are too many gamers out there simply standing in the way of their own good time. It's a video game. Bungie makes great video games. Every game we play doesn't need to be the second coming of Christ, for us to enjoy it and find pleasure in it. Gamers are losing perspective on why we play video games and, at-its-core, why we play Bungie games. Call it D1 fatigue, call it the hype-roller-coaster, call it frustration with the gaming industry, call it romanticizing/nostalgia, call it whatever you like.... It's skewing people's viewpoints. They are subconsciously looking for reasons to be disappointed. On some level, they are simultaneously wanting nothing to change and EVERYTHING to change. Those expectations will never be met. How many times has this community been guilty of overreacting, dismissing, misunderstanding, false labeling or making false assumptions about some aspect of Destiny only to be proven wrong and discover their line of reasoning was flawed in the end? Rhetorical question. I'm not here to debate, just to say my peace. Hakuna Matata.

It amazes mehow you lump in the people that have legitimate complaints about the game with people just bitching to bitch. While catering to all the fanboys. And to fix one of your three points YES A GAME DAMN NEAR HAS TO BE PERFECT TO BE GREAT otherwise it is mediocre filled with bugs and whatnot. And you concerns about a 4th subclass sound more like the generation concerned only bout what they want than anything.

[quote]... drop a deuce on it's metaphorical chest like a depraved fiend who isn't happy until they make a mess of someone else's happiness to match their own misery. [/quote] Common dude, that really wasn't needed. You could have said anything else. Smh

I agree, however most people find my cynical and skeptical attitude towards the game as hate whereas it should be expected. Destiny has some really great things in it, but it also has some really garbage things in it. One may be skeptical without hating and one may be positive without being a blind moron, but this doesn't change the fact that there are those on either side that are extremists. In many comment threads I've witnessed tons of arguments over the game and it's just sad to see some of the things said. Very little well thought out and versed points are being made and those on either side are just wanting their opinion to be accepted as gospel when their opinion isn't an opinion at all. I'm about to drop some facts right here and right now. A- Destiny 2 will be [b]very[/b] similar to Destiny. This means, if you don't like Destiny, you probably won't enjoy the sequel. B- Destiny 2, from what I've seen so far, seems very PvP centric. The new weapon system, the more centralized gamemodes focused on objective play with limited lives, and the super alterations to all be more risk/reward. On top of this, most of the early content we have access to is PvP. In Destiny's beta we had like [u]6-8 story missions 1 strike, patrol and crucible.[/u] Here with D2, it looks like only [u]1 story mission, a strike, and crucible[/u] (please correct me if I'm wrong I'm not 100% on this info). This is just what I can deduce from the information given but just keep this fact in mind. This is good for some players and really bad for others. C- Destiny's shady reputation. We all know that Destiny hasn't had the best reputation with being consumer friendly. In fact it's had the opposite reputation of being absolutely horrible to consumers and milking as much money as it possibly can. This will most likely continue in D2. Expect microtransactions, DLC's that aren't exactly worth the money to some, and overall just really stupid design choices throughout the games lifespan. Bungie has a habit of ripping previous content out of the game and bringing it back with very small updates and relevant gear and then calling it new, don't fall for this shit again. Push Bungie to be better and actually strive for new content. They're already doing it with the "new" subclasses. It's like the didn't even try with Poledancer or whatever it's called (issa joke). It seems almost exactly like Bladedancer with removed stealth capabilities. D- Destiny 2 is a sequel, meaning it should [b]add new content[/b]. I'm expecting large changes to boss formats and enemy types. With the new weapon system we can't have the same old reskin boss enemy that's just a bigger version of a smaller enemy but with 10000000000000000 times the health pool. Basically, [b][i][u]NO MORE BULLET SPONGES[/u][/i][/b]. I expect intelligent and interesting boss design. We've seen it in every single raid released. I fully expect every strike boss to be a mini raid with it's own mechanics, strategies, and interesting phases. Make us work to deal damage not deal damage to do work. Shooting something a thousand times gets real boring real fast. Now, I'll give them some credit, they did better about this over time and added more interesting mechanics for strike bosses, however, it's still wasn't good enough as most of the strikes that incorporated this were "reimagined" strikes from the past and still ended up with kinda spongey health pools on bosses. If my sniper ammo is as rare as a rockets now, I'm expecting more brain power and less firepower for my boss fights. Conclusion- Now, if you've made it here you're probably already thinking I'm a hating piece of shit, I'm not. I love the game... that's what makes us different if you think I'm hating. I actually give a damn about the game improving, becoming better, and striving to become more successful. Because of this fact, I'm hard on it, and I'm vocal about my distastes. Destiny is incredibly fun and has some of the most interesting and exquisite FPS gameplay I've ever seen with the incorporation of raids, now it's just time to see if Bungie strives to be better, or if they're already being lazy and taking the easy way out with a more PvP centric game. We'll just have to wait and find out.