Long read, beware. I would appreciate you actually read it. You might like what it has to say.
[spoiler]There are a lot of things that happened this week. A lot of thoughts. A lot of feelings. A lot of stress.
My initial thought is that I am disappointed.
I am disappointed in the number of people who chose to support a candidate who embodies so much hate and fear. I understand that not everyone supported him *because* of the hate and fear, but that is not something separated from his policies and platform.
I am disappointed in the Democratic party, of which I have been a member of since I registered to vote over a decade ago. I am disappointed with the questionable tactics with which they chose their nominee. I am disappointed with how wrong their campaign went. From my perspective, Hillary Clinton did not appeal to many of the people and groups that once had unwavering support for the Democratic party, and she alienated those outside the Democratic party who didn’t quite align with the words she spoke. Both of which are two very key parts of a campaign.
I am disappointed in our political process. I understand the historical significance of the electoral college, but it bothers me that you can be awarded the presidency with the required 270 electoral votes, yet not receive the popular vote. Political science is not my area of expertise, but surely there must be a better system that more accurately reflects the will of the people, and doesn’t boil down to the “lesser of two evils” approach. And no, it is not only when “my team” loses am I concerned about our voting system and the electoral college - this is something that has come to mind throughout several presidential elections.
I am disappointed in the American people. Not because I disagree with their choice, but since Obama’s first election our population has increased significantly, yet voter turnout was lower than it was in 2008. People were simply unenthused. We failed to motivate a significant portion of the country, and our country operates best when we participate the most. Nobody likes when a small portion dictates the choice of the many - not when you’re going out with your friends for drinks, not when you’re ordering pizzas for the office Super Bowl party, and most certainly not when you’re choosing your leaders.
As most of you very well know, one of the issues I care deeply about is LGBT rights and protections. I do have some genuine concerns about the future of our country, along with the rights, safety, and general well-being of my friends, family members, and coworkers. With Donald Trump as President, with Mike Pence as his Vice President, with a Republican-controlled Senate, with a Republican-controlled House, and with at least one open seat on the Supreme Court, this causes me concern that I do not feel is unwarranted. A great number of Americans put their vote behind a candidate who refused to support the work that we had fought so hard for, and that the highest court in our land had only just ruled on. To LGBT Americans, along with many other minority groups, those millions of votes spoke to them with a resounding “you do not matter,” and this upsets me most of all.
However, disappointment is not the only thing I felt this week. After I reluctantly went to bed, after the sun so surprisingly rose the next morning, and after a bit of the dust had settled - I now feel empowered, excited, and motivated.
I feel this way not because Donald Trump is our next president. I feel this way because now is a time of action. Mid-term election season will soon be upon us, and it is clear that I can no longer assume that people will act in my best interests, or in the best interests of others that so desperately need a voice. I must be a part of the change I want to see. My voice must be heard. There are new issues to research and upcoming candidates to keep an eye on. There are campaigns to support, volunteer for, and make a measurable impact with.
Now, perhaps it is because I am a straight, white, college-educated male who lives in an affluent area of Southern California, but I have confidence that we will weather this storm. It will not be quick, nor will it be easy, nor will the path be clear, but our nation has been through worse times and we have made it through the other side. The strongest steel is forged in the hottest fire, and the clearest diamonds are formed under the greatest pressure.
And in this time of great opposition and divisiveness, I believe that it is paramount that we conduct ourselves with the utmost respect for others. We must not meet ignorance with more ignorance, hate with more hate, or violence with more violence. These things do not change when met with more of the same, they are only amplified. We must not be like them. We must combat the ignorance, hate, and violence with education, compassion, and understanding. We must have open eyes, ears, hearts, and minds. This is how we will create a better tomorrow for everyone.
We will. We must.[/spoiler]
tl;dr - [spoiler]not ideal, but let's make things better.[/spoiler]
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83 답변작성자: ChaoticPhenomena 11/17/2016 11:26:37 AMAs of midday eastern time on 11/11, Hillary is 400,000 votes ahead of trump. That alone points to a deeply flawed system. Edit: Early morning eastern time on 11/14, Hillary is ahead by 630,000, or about 50,000 more than the least populated state in the US. Also, it's more than Washington DC and Vermont. Edit 2: Early morning eastern time on 11/15, Hillary is ahead by 790k, slightly more than North Dakota population. Edit 3: early morning eastern on 11/16, Hillary is ahead by 950k votes, large enough to qualify as the 5th smallest state by population. Edit 4: early morning on 11/17, Hillary is ahead by 1,050,000 votes, virtually tied with the population of rhode island.
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12 답변작성자: Stallcall 11/12/2016 1:34:56 AMI should make a Statist Bingo card. This would have filled the damn thing up. [quote]I am disappointed in the number of people who chose to support a candidate who embodies so much hate and fear.[/quote] This rhetoric is all over the place, but it's just unfiltered sophistry. "Hate! Fear! Those words are bad! Do you want to be associated with those bad words?? Don't you want to be associated with words like "hope" and "change?"" Give me a break. [quote]but since Obama’s first election our population has increased significantly, yet voter turnout was lower than it was in 2008. People were simply unenthused. We failed to motivate a significant portion of the country, and our country operates best when we participate the most.[/quote] Talk about a regurgitated talking point from a high school government class. Democracy and voter turnout are completely independent of prosperity. If we got every possible voter to vote, do you think we'd somehow be better off by sheer virtue of stuffing ballot boxes full? [quote]I do have some genuine concerns about the future of our country, along with the rights, safety, and general well-being of my friends, family members, and coworkers.[/quote] Oh [i]now[/i] you're concerned about rights. Or are you only concerned with those convenient "human rights" that the state promises you in return for being complacent? [quote] I now feel empowered, excited, and motivated.[/quote] [quote]I feel this way because now is a time of action. Mid-term election season will soon be upon us, and it is clear that I can no longer assume that people will act in my best interests, or in the best interests of others that so desperately need a voice. I must be a part of the change I want to see. My voice must be heard. There are new issues to research and upcoming candidates to keep an eye on. There are campaigns to support, volunteer for, and make a measurable impact with.[/quote] Oh how [i]precious![/i] "I feel intense moral outrage! I fear that the state will do something drastic regarding the safety of my friends and family! Time to send a letter to my representative and encourage my politically-lethargic neighbors to cast a vote for some sophistic hack." Pathetic. The problem with you American Left statists is that the effects of your policies are painfully real, yet your solutions for non-issues is either to use over-the-top violence or to write a polite letter to the goddamn mayor, petitioning for the state to -blam!-ing save you. The rest is just a garbled appeal to emotion. Unmute me.
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10 답변작성자: pl0785 11/12/2016 2:40:40 AMIf you guys keep believing people voted tor Trump out of fear and hate, your party is going to die. People have very real complaints. Telling them they're stupid racists, instead of addressing their complaints, is the reason you guys lost this election.
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작성자: BananaInPajama7 11/13/2016 7:22:23 PMI am disappointed that you think trump is actually a bad man and I am disappointed that these idiots are pros testing his candidacy. They aren't helping anyone and they won't change anything. Just shows you how smart democrats actually are. When was the last time republicans have protested against an election and rioted, breaking businesses and cars. They're a bunch of idiots. At least you are willing to accept it Mad Max
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4 답변작성자: SauceBoii 11/14/2016 4:34:47 PMOh wait, who cares? He's the first president that represents america completely. Just barely scraping off the libs, guns for days, freedom of speech, hates to be stood up, etc. It's about time we stopped acting like the parties represents the good of anyone. We should vote to keep each other on our toes. Competition is good and healthy. So stop acting like we all need to be friends. Because if we all wanted to be on an equal ground, we'd have communism. The hunger for power and wealth in the U.S.A. is the way we become stronger and better.
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7 답변작성자: Stickman Al 11/13/2016 12:44:25 PMI'm most concerned about his supposed view that man made climate change is a hoax. Outside of the US, we're pretty worried that the second biggest polluter in the world is going to be run by a man who doesn't think there is good reason to curb carbon emissions.
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1 답변Fear and hate? You mean Clinton? Because it is her supporters who are very clearly embodying fear and hate right now.
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1 답변Trump is considering keeping beneficial facets of Obamacare. I mean, its not as simple as "scrap all that whilst keeping these", and atm it is words and only words. But should he successfully reform it, I would happily drink a great big cup of shut the -blam!- up. Maybe he will surprise the skeptics. I think we can all sincerely hope he does. [spoiler]Well, apart from the racists* *not calling everyone who voted for him a racist. Merely pointing out that there were some racists who voted for him. Flamethrowers down boys.[/spoiler]
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6 답변I get a kick out of all the disrespectful and condescending comments toward me and others in this thread, when obviously my post was a message to the contrary.
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작성자: OurWildebeest 11/13/2016 1:56:08 PMMy thoughts, as a conservative (generally vote Republican though not technically a Republican): 1 - I didn't think he'd win the primary. Once he did, I thought he'd lose badly in the general election, taking the Senate and possibly the House with him. Obviously, I was wrong. 2 - I have very little respect for him as a man or as a human being. 3 - I don't trust his politics. Don't like his big-government infrastructure plan. Don't like the liberal language he uses, such as on healthcare saying "we're not going to let people die in the street" as if that is an actual thing. Pre-ObamaCare, somebody dying on the street would have been put in an ambulance and taken to an ER and you figure out the payment later. 4 - That said, I agree with his currently stated positions about 80% of the time, and think that having him as president plus Republicans in the House and Senate can lead to some good things. This can be easily overstated. There have been times when one party controlled the presidency, House and Senate and other than ObamaCare, it didn't result in radical changes. 5 - The people protesting him are being silly at this juncture. There have been times to rally to stop him in the past and there will be times in the future. But what is there to protest right now? What do you hope the outcome of your protest is? That we'll negate an election? Even if that could feasibly happen, do you really want to set that precedent? If that's not your goal, what is your goal? It comes across as a tantrum, and it has the net effect of making people like me who don't particularly support Trump like him more. It is counterproductive in every way. 6 - For the future of the Democratic Party, I think there is a fork in the road, with logic pointing one way and emotion pointing the other. Logic says to be more centrist in ways that matter in places like Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Ohio, Florida. Emotion says to rage against the machine and promote socialism, if not communism, as a backlash. I think emotion usually beats logic so I think the party is going to move further away from the center. And I think that will work out as well for the Democrats in 2020 as it did for the Republicans the next election after Kennedy beat Nixon (Goldwater got destroyed), as well as it did for the Democrats the next election after Nixon beat Humphrey (McGovern got destroyed) and as well as it did for the Democrats the next election after Reagan beat Carter (Mondale got destroyed). I know a lot of people believe that Sanders would have beaten Trump. I have no idea and neither do you. It would have been a very different campaign and we can't really predict what would have happened. But in 2020, assuming good health and no impeachment, Trump won't be running as a firebrand *****-grabber, he will be running as an incumbent president who most likely governs more moderately than his current image. If you put a Sanders-type person up against him, history says such a person will be rejected by middle America and destroyed. (Though I know the little SJW moderator here who temporarily banned me TWICE for asking the Nice truck driver's name believes his little tantrums are a super duper awesome argument ... rather than realizing that he is one example of the whiny little tantrum-based ideology that helped blind the Democrats and enable Trump to win. Whiny SJW tantrums might sound great to other whiny SJWs but it is pretty laughable to most people.) My advice for the DNC (which they won't see, and even if they saw, they'd ignore) is to move to Kansas City or St. Louis or somewhere in that part of the country, somewhere with a good airport but far outside the bubble. Chicago might be OK but even that is kind of bubbly. Move somewhere where everybody on staff ends up driving past a trailer park occasionally or they overhear guys at the convenience store talking about going hunting or fishing. The Washington-DC-LA-SF bubble is suffocating and makes them think conservatives (or really, non-liberal white people) are absurd creatures from another world. And that in a nutshell is why they pick someone like Hillary as the ordained candidate who MUST be the nominee even though had they simply asked, they'd have learned nobody likes Hillary. At least not enough to win a national election.
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3 답변Electoral college wasn't established to prevent a "dangerous" candidate as I've seen thrown around on various forums. Maybe indirectly, but it was directly established to prevent large densely populated areas from completely deciding elections. It gives each state a voice which is directly equal to the number of representatives in congress. What is clear about this election, is that many states, especially in the Midwest to upper east coast, are hurting right now. They rely on manufacturing jobs to survive and those jobs are going away. You're in SoCal, a part of the US with the highest salaries and cost of living. Did you know you qualify for food stamps if you make less than $90,000/yr in Cupertino,CA? I encourage you to spend a few days in Detroit, MI and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. These people aren't bad, they're not racists...they're hurting and they're not being heard. They've been completely ignored for the past 8 years, so when a candidate comes along promising to do what he can to help them, create jobs and place Tarifs on Ford products built in Mexico, they will vote for that candidate. They don't care that he talked about hitting on woman in a crude way, or that he says things that can be interpreted as racist without understanding the context or non-politically correct delivery. I'm speaking to you from one of these densely populated cities, I have a great job and I'm not hurting, but many in my direct and extended family are. It's one thing to publicly attack a presidential candidate for their behavior, it's quite another thing to directly attack their supporters, our neighbors and fellow Americans. Hillary did just that. She labeled them as racists, bigots and [b][i]deplorable[/i][/b]. Everyone is fed up with being labeled and called a racist when they're not. Those are two good reasons why the GOP swept the election. Democrats need to be rethinking their strategy, and missed opportunities in this election and how they plan to do better in 2018 midterms, not protesting a democratic process-because half America cried out with a voice by casting their vote...and were heard by someone most people don't like.
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38 답변작성자: Nnoremac 11/12/2016 10:51:06 PMI feel Mad Max is super young to not really understand that popular vote isn't the true representative of the United States, which is why we have the Electoral college, so that all states have a say in the matter. without the electoral college the only states that would matter in an election is Texas, Cali, New York, and Florida Also it's so funny to hear the LGBT people feel scared. Trump is pro LGBT rights, so why are you scared?
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작성자: Tormented_Anus 11/13/2016 6:29:55 AMFrom Stallcall, your favourite forum user: [quote]I should make a Statist Bingo card. This would have filled the damn thing up. I am disappointed in the number of people who chose to support a candidate who embodies so much hate and fear. This rhetoric is all over the place, but it's just unfiltered sophistry. "Hate! Fear! Those words are bad! Do you want to be associated with those bad words?? Don't you want to be associated with words like "hope" and "change?"" Give me a break. but since Obama’s first election our population has increased significantly, yet voter turnout was lower than it was in 2008. People were simply unenthused. We failed to motivate a significant portion of the country, and our country operates best when we participate the most. Talk about a regurgitated talking point from a high school government class. Democracy and voter turnout are completely independent of prosperity. If we got every possible voter to vote, do you think we'd somehow be better off by sheer virtue of stuffing ballot boxes full? I do have some genuine concerns about the future of our country, along with the rights, safety, and general well-being of my friends, family members, and coworkers. Oh now you're concerned about rights. Or are you only concerned with those convenient "human rights" that the state promises you in return for being complacent? I now feel empowered, excited, and motivated. I feel this way because now is a time of action. Mid-term election season will soon be upon us, and it is clear that I can no longer assume that people will act in my best interests, or in the best interests of others that so desperately need a voice. I must be a part of the change I want to see. My voice must be heard. There are new issues to research and upcoming candidates to keep an eye on. There are campaigns to support, volunteer for, and make a measurable impact with. Oh how precious! "I feel intense moral outrage! I fear that the state will do something drastic regarding the safety of my friends and family! Time to send a letter to my representative and encourage my politically-lethargic neighbors to cast a vote for some sophistic hack." Pathetic. The problem with you American Left statists is that the effects of your policies are painfully real, yet your solutions for non-issues is either to use over-the-top violence or to write a polite letter to the goddamn mayor, petitioning for the state to -blam!-ing save you. The rest is just a garbled appeal to emotion. Unmute me.[/quote]
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13 답변Trump won the popular vote by several million max, so wrong lol he won pretty much by a landslide quit your crying
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24 답변>I have no idea what all of these -isms actually look like >please nurse my hurt fee fees everyone Lol, take the L and stop whining
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