[quote]Would you really like to have the same subclasses, the same guns, the same everything?[/quote] Yes. That is, after all, the entire premise of Destiny and the one mantra that they've been spinning since this game was announced. That Destiny was a ten-year franchise. That they (Bungie) wanted us to be involved with our Guardians. To grow and build our Legends, and to carry those Legends throughout the entire decade of this franchise. So, yes. If Bungie only ever intends to keep one promise to its players, I want this promise to be the one that they keep.

Well that's all fine and well but it's going to get VERY repetitive if we do keep the same subclasses so that's a big heck no from me on that. Obviously we disagree, but if they have the same 3 classes and same subclasses in D2, they've failed in my opinion. It'll just be another DLC.

And yet if they change everything and make us ditch everything and start from scratch, then they add another huge lie to the pile of broken promises that litter this games reputation. So we'll just have to wait and see which path Bungie chooses.

Well if that's how you're going to view it, I honestly hope they lied their burning pants off.

That's fine. Myself? I hope they carry everything forward and chase away people who think that every sequel needs to start from scratch to have a continuation of the franchise. Just because every other shooter doesn't have the creativity or strength of concept to carry characters forward, doesn't mean Destiny has to adhere to the same boring logic.

Funny you reference boring when talking about keeping everything the same...

Because we would still be building our Guardians [i]forward[/i]. Why does allowing our Guardians to be brought into D2, mean that we have to stop forward progress? But yet, starting over from scratch the way every other shooter on the planet does... why is that not boring? Why is that the only solution ever offered? Plenty of RPG's and MMO's let you keep carrying your character with you. I think Bungie wants to do the same thing, I just don't think they know how they're going to do it yet.

Why is changing the game world for each sequel not boring....? Do I really need to answer that? lol. You can't call change boring just because everything changes.

I think you and I are just going to have to agree that our opinions are too different to see a common ground on this one...

But if it was integrated in some way - entirely new engine/maps, missions, etc... but bringing your objects (whether guns/armor, etc...) that you've invested time into - you would have the CHOICE to keep it, or start over. Who loses in that scenario? Nobody. If you want to keep your old stuff, and advance slowly, you can. If you want to start fresh - the only obstacle would be yourself. And we can't complain about a choice we made when there was another more preferred option available, can we?

But see, I do think it HAS to be one or the other. You can't let some migrate and some not. It unbalances everything. So sure, while you may not agree with starting fresh, that's fine. I just would prefer that (getting everything new) as opposed to going in with all my old stuff regardless of whether or not it's all new missions, gear, whatever. I would just prefer a brand new experience including new characters and subclasses as opposed to bringing all that with us.

Oh, of course - it would have to be the player's choice. So everyone could be allowed to migrate (with typical Bungie limitations). But I feel that if people liked a new experience when a new environment is provided, then everyone would have dismantled everything from Year 1 and 2 (weapons AND armor), and get/use new stuff from Year 3 ONLY. But because I haven't a single guardian do that (just my observation through player inspection either on bungie.net or in-game), I'd suspect that people like the choice to migrate at their own personal rate... making choices one piece of gear at a time.

You and I both know the only choice they'd make is whether or not to post on here whining for vault space. They won't ever delete anything.

But isn't that a direct contradiction about how people want to start over with brand new stuff? If you are using a single piece of gear from the first 2 years, even you don't even like to start over. Year 3 has an entirely new set of weapons and armor. Why not see if you like this concept, delete everything - and have a really great amount of fun? Now picture that but more than doubled - because that is what the sequel should be. Everything we have now - but double subclasses, more weapon types, double the areas/maps, etc... Simply because things are brought forward does not mean that new things can't be introduced. I'd personally like the game to continue (and even be a LOT more open world - like an Elder Scrolls type exploration - that had a world FAR beyond Destiny, and yet ran old gen systems (because space has nothing to do with coding and resources). If there is repetition, it wouldn't be because my gear I've attained is available, it would be the developers' fault for not creating 50 new missions, 3 new raids, etc... Who would want a game of only 50 missions, instead of 100? Would you have a choice to not play the old 50? Then don't. But we all end up with choices, you get to start over and only play the first part of a split up game (that will eventually be sold in pieces), and I get to play everything from Year 1 until Year 4, 5, 6, +. Taking the new gear, and running missions/raids from past iterations. Where is the downside? The issue regarding vault space was Bungie's mistake to put a LARGE unnecessary amount of data in a thumbnail. It's no wonder any 5 year old phone can contain vaults of 5 different profiles , 3 characters each, all of which are full, with less resources than an original XBOX or PS. It was poor implementation. The fact that it's even an issue is evidence they didn't plan very far out.... creating an environment with WELL over 1200 possibilities of weapon combinations, and the ability to store less than 10% (the number of combinations is well beyond that, but I stopped calculating after I reached 1200).

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No downside to migrating everyone. But with multiple examples and evidence(including your own profile stats) that the majority do not want a clean break. I believe that without intelligent discourse, anyone unwilling or unable to participate has a worthless perspective. Up to this point, I did not categorize you as such. Oh well. For those that can read - I'm sure it made sense.

No downside from your perspective, sure. There is from mine. Also I finally did read that text wall. Nothing in there about my profile stats, which is good since they're irrelevant to this conversation anyways.

Your profile (your gear) suggests you did not dismantle your Year 2 stuff the day RoI was released, so you didn't want to make a clean break. If you wanted a fresh start - you would have done this. But by your own actions - you appear to agree with me in that migration is better left to the player, to provide a more seamless transition from one generation/era to the next. Many times I heard that people should move on from Year 1 to Year 2. It's new year, etc..., those same people are running around with Year 2 Patch-A's, etc..., completely conflicting with their previous perspective when provided a CHOICE. Everyone wins. Want to run around Year 2 stuff? Go for it. Want only Year 3? Go for it. Want a mixed combination of Year 2 and 3? Do that as well. Everyone wins. So my perspective builds on this very trend we are witnessing, which is clearly backed by everyone's individual choices. Thank you for reading it, by the way - I know it was a lot - but people are complex creatures.

Apples and oranges. I didn't want a clean break going into a new DLC. That doesn't make any sense at all. Completely different situation going into an entirely new game...And if you'll notice, I use mostly Y3 things. I have a Y2 HC on my hinter right now, but I typically run Keystone (Y3), an AMR sniper (Y3) and Iron Gally (Y3) so sure, while I still use that gear, I am actively progressing myself towards using all Y3 stuff, including my armor which is all Y3, besides my exotic cloak because I like getting the faction rep.

Finally someone who actually has a brain i'm so happy i'm not one of those guys for same old content. Its a new game so it should be fresh in my opinion lol. And if all those players don't wanna grind in destiny 2 then they can play destiny 1.

Exactly. I get that people don't want to "lose all their work," but if they dont want D2 to feel like another DLC, it really should be a fresh start.