Okay, I'm a kindergauardian, but here's my input on this. From watching enough videos of year one and watching YouTubers recap year one exotics, the exotic meta was changing until 1.12 or whatever. SUROS was powerful, easily killing people in 5 shots. This was nerfed. Vex was powerful for a while because of its difficulty to acquire. No one cared that it was very powerful because it meant doing Hardmode VOG. Although no used often anymore, it's still a viable weapon. TLW, no need to explain, as well as Thorn and Hawkmoon (For PlayStation). I know I missed a lot of others, like Bad Juju and Ghjallerhorn. My point is, Bungie didn't want people to feel that exotics were the thing to have. They wanted players who didn't have TLW or Thorn to actually play the game, or be excluded from Raids for not having Ghjallerhorn. If that's what you want again, then by all means say that. But I know I'm not alone when I say that exotics should be good, but not OP to where someone who never used this gun could go 33-0. Just my input, but my opinion doesn't matter, since I'm a kindergauardian.

Plenty of good exotics. Especially armor. They're only supposed to be different not necessarily better.

Yes! Buff Astryoshite Verse

I got this exotic helmet on my warlock that reduces the cool down of blink. The only problem is that it's only useful in pvp and only voidwalkers have blink (unless you count blink on stormtrance) Also voidwalkers stink compared to stormcallers. So I'm just going to stick to my boots that allow me to move faster crouching and reloads my weapons every time I pick up ammo.

I would rather have them feel more unique, or be stronger in a more unique way. For instance, Knucklehead Radar could have enhanced radar, and highlight enemies when ADS in addition to keeping the radar visible. Lucky Raspberry could give Arcbolt Grenades the chance to chain Arc lightning to additional enemies, or the chance to deal bonus damage. Monte Carlo could grant both Grenade and Melee energy, or deal bonus damage for a short time, and refill the magazine, after a melee kill Red Death could deal bonus damage, or increase rate of fire, when health is low. The ATS/8 Arachnid could give you the option of pressing Triangle/Y during Golden Gun to transform it into a sniper. Possibly grant it the ability to deal precision damage as well while it's in that form. When the Exotic perk for Hawkmoon activates, there would be a burst of light, and a trail of glowing white feathers behind the bullet

They are kinda shit. In Y1 the exotics were much much better. When the hell am i going to be using a freakin Telesto Molesto?

Exotics are supposed to feel different. Not over powered. They should have a tiny barely noticeable edge over legendaries. But look at all of the year one weapons. They all had massive power boosts over their legendary counter parts. Even the raid weapons. That's why last word and thorn were so powerful. And why Suros and vex got destroyed along with pocket infinity and ice breaker and even Gally. They were just too good. But you'll notice the weapons that just had slightly noticeable exotic perk were brought up. Like Mida, red death, hard light, Monte Carlo and plan c. And all the new exotics were not as "good" as the old. Because Bungie learned that this wasn't a good game design for PvP.

We can't, as a community, say exotics simply need a buff. There is an issue with making some of the most readily available items in the game also the most powerful weapons in the game. In Y1, Exotics were hard to come by, but they came with a power that justified the requirement that you could only equip one. Most exotics brought a serious increase with firepower or other ability that made them worthwhile, either in PVE or PVP, or sometimes both. The problem? So many people bitched and whined that some of the very best exotics were impossible to get, and other people (legitimately) complained that they were denied access to endgame content because they didn't have these items. Rather than think of an alternative solution to the LFG/Matchmaking issues with this game, Bungie simply lowered the bar for exotics, making them ultra easy to get (with 3oC), increasing the sources for exotic drops, questifying many of the high-end exotics, and then watering them down due to the relative easy at which you could obtain them. Now, exotics are little more than infusion fuel. We, as a community, need to understand that if we want powerful exotics, they MUST necessarily be rare. It becomes game-breaking when every single person has the best gun in the game and can annihilate everything with ease. If exotics are going to have that kind of firepower again, then they need to necessarily be rare. This does two things 1) it gives us reason to repeatedly grind endgame content to maximize our chances for exotic drops and 2) when we finally get them, it gives us the sense of power progression we lacked in Y2. Y2 lacked Y1's sense of power progression because the only thing to grind for was Light Level. And your light level was functionally capped by the mechanics of the game in most content in order to preserve the sense of a challenge - which is why when you ran heroic strikes at LL 335 and the light level of the strike was 260, it really wasn't that different from when you ran it at LL 300. Your light level/damage output was capped similar to how it functions in patrol. If this was not done, a LL 335 character would just BLAST through LL 260 strikes as if they were simple storyline missions - which would reduce playtime - something Bungie can't have... Because of these reasons, I think Y1 had the right formula. But if we embrace that formula, we have to accept that exotics should be rare, and therefore, harder to get. It also means we need to accept that 3oC should be removed from the game, and that the BEST exotics should be RNG based rather than quest based. Even spindle, IMO, was too easy to get. Sure, if you don't know what you are doing, you get ANNIHILATED your first run through, but that happens to everyone. I failed 2-3 times before I got mine. Light level helps, but I've gotten people through who were LL 270ish, so its entirely doable. That is just my 2 cents on the issue and I'm sure many people will have differing views. Obviously, RoI didn't make the game more like Y1, so Bungie obviously disagrees - and its one of the reasons I've turned my back on Destiny. Y1 wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but they had SOME of the formula right, IMO, but then they threw it all out the window at the start of TTK.

I think all exotics should be VERY rare and powerful. So they should buff them but they need their drop rate lowered a shit ton.

What D1ckhead opted for 'nerf' lmao

The issue with Exotics is that they are allowed in PvP. If they didn't have to worry about that, the possibilities for Exotic weapons and armor could be limitless.

Im enjoying using mida with dunemarchers and the raid shot fun with juggernaut and the sprint artifact.

Some exotics are fine, but there are a large amount with perks so shitty that they would be useless on a rare weapon. Why the -blam!- would you make them exotic?