Nerfs and buffs are needed to try and achieve balance in the game. Right now, there's an issue in Crucible with Pulse Rifles again,(Specifically, the fast-fire ones like Grasp) and shotguns, but this is due to them nerfing things that kept them just a tier under. I don't think Shotguns need nerfed, the issue is that Sidearms and Fusion Rifles don't contend with them at all, therefore making them way, way too strong, the issue is Bungie doesn't see that and doesn't seem to care, and when it's brought up people demand a nerf rather than an actual solution. Fusion Rifles and Sidearms need to be able to contend with Shotguns in some way, shape, or form, which they don't. The fast fire rate with low impact Pulse Rifles like Grasp of Malok need a major damage nerf. They can three burst you, yet so do the low rate of fire ones. 9/10 times you'll get out shot by someone using a Grasp if you use a lower rate of fire with higher impact. What I don't get is why they can't just make PvE and PvP nerfs/balances separate rather than together. That would solve so many issues we have in this game regarding weapon balance, it may take extra coding and data, but I'd say it would be so worth it.

If they just undid every single change they've done over the past 365 days, things would be so much better.

So what you're saying is [spoiler]nerf fusion rifles.[/spoiler]

So only buff? That's an even worse idea. Both in moderate, yyessssss.

Bump. The whole nerf/buff cycle and rotating meta is one thing that drove me away from Destiny. I understand that in a game like this, they will constantly have to tune the weapons but the fact that it is "whittle down" balancing where they only nerf the next strongest meta class of weapons is how we get exponentially weaker in PVE. And the fact that PVE and PVP are NOT completely separated means that PVE players ultimately end up suffering for the sake of PVP. We simply cannot have any fun/nice things because the guns that are TRULY fun and fantastic in PVE are the kind that tend to break PVP (Icebreaker). I think Bungie needs to just toss in the towel, admit they were wrong, and fully separate PVP from PVE. At least then, they can continue the rotating meta model. And If I don't like the meta, I can still choose to play PVE w/o having any negative affects.

Please, Bungie.

Ghost bullets have been falsified. Please take your bullshit elsewhere.

There is no such thing as ghost bullets. To balance hand cannons with other weapons like scout rifles, there has to be an accuracy/range fall off. Hand cannons are supposed to be close to mid range weapons while scouts are mid to long. If you ever used thorn in year one, for an example, as long as you had good aim you could hit anyone from across map. It was a scout rifle. To balance it out, hand cannons have accuracy bloom. This is where the accuracy is less the farther away you are from someone. The bullet doesn't vanish, it just misses because its outside of its intended range. Now some hand cannons are better than others. The more range on a hand cannon, the better off you will be. This is why the palindrome is a new favorite. This also goes for fusions and shot guns. So, maybe there is a better way of balancing yes. Bungie said that they will look into it. Just know there is nothing wrong with them right now. ( Plus hand cannons are all i see people use so they cant be that bad)

Yes, please make every weapon a one shot kill. Then make it so I don't have to aim either. I just want to pull the trigger and get points.

What?...Nerf handcannons okay...

There's something called an apostrophe