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작성자: IJN Akagi
9/4/2016 3:08:03 AM
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Defender Changes
Two ideas to improve Defender all around. Of course, the nerf that makes the bubble get weaker over time should be reversed, but that's not what this is about.
1) Bubble supresses enemies while they're in it. Prevents bladedancers or stormcallers from rushing the bubble.
2) Removes debuffs from allies when they enter a bubble. So you don't burn to death immediately after entering a bubble.
This would make bubble more of a haven for allies than just a way to survive a nova bomb or avoid a golden gun shot. It would also bring it up from the easiest super to counter, to a more formidable super, and worth your time.
Comment if you so please. I'll debate with peoplex but not if you just mindlessly insult.
Edit: Not many people are wild about the supression. I'm cool with that.
Edit 2: If you say "It's like a tether", explain. It can't kill, it's not offensive, and if you try to use it like a tether, you will die, because if you rush someone to bubble supress them, you will get shotgunned. If you say that only because it supresses, than the supressor grenade is also "basically a tether".
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2 답변The only change Defender needs is to allow the bubbler to shoot out through the shield. Thus making it a super that is good for killing too.
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16 답변As a defender main this is what I want. 1: 3 GG shots to take down the bubble 2: Nova bomb takes down bubble but blast doesn't kill those inside, of course the aoe can still kill people if its equipped 3: A person with Blessing of light can survive one shotgun blast even if it leaves them at a one hit of base health 4: Armor of light makes everyone harder to push out of bubble 5: Fist of havoc can't destroy bubble from the outside 6: Stormtrance can't destroy bubble from outside unless it uses the whole supper to do so 7: Sunsinger grenades can't destroy bubble from outside unless it takes the whole super to do so 8: tethers don't destroy the bubble or 3 tethers destroy the bubble and disappear upon hit Basically I just want supers to cancel out the bubble evenly and blessing of light to be slightly stronger, and to not get thrown out by one melee hit, if I could have only one of these I'd take super canceling super any day of the week
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8 답변The "suppression would be op argument" isn't good because a few seconds of spamming stormcaller on it will destroy the bubble you don't have to enter the friggin thing to destroy it buy apparently people are just too stupid not to walk into the giant purple ball that sticks out like a sore thumb. As for the "taking away a debuff" that would be totally balanced in my opinion
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1 답변I believe a nova bomb should destroy a bubble but not kill the players inside. Then both supers will have cancelled each other out. That being said, if you're amour of light and storm caller comes inside just use a shotgun.
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7 답변Don't agree with either tbh, suppression would make it too powerful and you'd just get groups of defender titans running it basically making games like control and rift almost impossible.
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1 답변I think the thought process behind this is teams composed of multiple defenders could become near impossible to combat. The suppression would be nice, but it could easily make the bubble indestructible. A storm titan using their super to negate a bubble super feels pretty balanced. But I couldn't really say. All I know is, I [i]never[/i] use my defender in the crucible, and that's a problem.
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suppressing is a bit overpowered for a basic effect. The second one however would be a nice ability to have available or as an added exotic. Having a super that negates any chance for another super to fairly fight it is broken. And as it is, most defender Titans already make it well aware to attackers, they ain't gettin out of their bubble. They are a highly stubborn lot to kill in their bubbles, even with supers.
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The win lift of the defender isn't as high as it ought to be currently. I understand they don't want K/D to be the determining factor, but even then the W/L is hardy higher than anything for the cost. Without the cheese factory of no backup plans/universal remote Defenders haven't got much.
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5 답변The first is equivalent to Saint 14. Suppressing enemies inside would make it OP. As for debuffs, Bubble is fine right now. There is no need to make changes.
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2 답변You should have to put on an exotic for the suppression effect. This would be like helm of Saint.
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13 답변I would like to see the bubble have a detonate function that you can trigger killing anyone thats in the bubble only. Self included. XD
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4 답변Titan bubbles are annoying enough when used right or when my team sucks! Bubble is fine now.
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13 답변The two options that you are highlighting already exists. Armor of light lets you stand toe to toe and win against blade dancers and storm callers. Blessing of light is the defensive boost for your allies that saves them from ongoing effects by adding life that they can replenish indefinitely by stepping in and out of a bubble. I do think that suppression would be a fair perk at the expense of AoL, BoL and WoL. But Bungie probably isn't going to extend subclass trees in Destiny 1.
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5 답변I agree the bubble could use a buff in some way but not by adding a suppresion. I get u hate how BD and Stormcallers rush in and kill but some people save their supers for things like bubble. If Im running voidwalker i will for sure wait till I see a bubble before I use it. The cleansing allies thing does sound like a nice touch. Wondering how itll work in pve since theres not much burning going on. Maybe have increase recovery rate for any allies who step in.
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For me, i don't use any of the last perks at the end of the skill tree, my ward of dawn already have the max intelect, never use that perk of orbs on heavy kills, and i use armor of light so the last perk (that only works for BoL and WoL) is wasted too. I would be happy to trade the juggernaut perk from the striker (that strikers users don't even use because of the existence of shoulder charge) Also and speed up or shield in ward of dawn animation, sometimes i get killed mid-animation and lost my super.
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1 답변I think you should be able to move the bubble to counter a golden guns or nova bomb etc.
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[quote]1) Bubble supresses enemies while they're in it. Prevents bladedancers or stormcallers from rushing the bubble. 2) Removes debuffs from allies when they enter a bubble. So you don't burn to death immediately after entering a bubble.[/quote] 1) has no real use outside of crucible, and suppression is way to powerful an effect to be using here. The bubble has few checks as it currently is, taking away some just adds to imbalances so no. 2) I'm a bit mixed on this idea. The debuff removal In PvE actually is a neat idea. On the PvP end though, this effect can be abused.
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1 답변I don't think that these should be inherent to the bubble, but I think they could be effective selectable perks. Perhaps they could replace some of the lesser used perks like iron harvest and gift of light.
