I like the idea a lot, but I also see the potential flaws. Having tiered playlists could shrink the matchmaking population in each playlist quite a lot and it could cause matchmaking times to be terrible. At the same time I think the way trials is set up now is pretty laughable. I went flawless a handful of times in Y1 when, as far as I know, it was much more skilled based matchmaking than it is now. I have only tried trials a couple times in Y2 since I just recently came back to destiny. My Y2 trials experience has largely been blowouts one way or the other. Either my friends and I get smoked 5-0 or 5-1, or we smash the other team 5-0, 5-1. That seems wrong to me. People will say that in Y1 the connections were too bad because of SBMM, but I would rather play against the occasional red bar than play against a streamer that plays 60+ hours of crucible each week. If it's skill based then each match would be more "sweaty" in its own skill group. (And before anyone asks or checks my stats I'll just tell you- I'm an above average player that has very good games, but also has terrible games. My K/D is around 1.35 overall. Trials K/D over 1 in Y1 but since coming back in Y2 it's dropped to like .95. You can tell me I suck if you want...I don't mind.)

My issue with trial isn't competing, I can hold my own alot of the time and am slightly above average. It likens to the issue of the original pre-buff Kings Fall reward system in where you A: have to get a drop B: Hope the light is higher than what you have and C: is in the slot you need. My situation likens to this as I A: Have to find a committed team of like minded and age appropriate players of which I have none B: They will actually play with while being friendly and chill/not dicks and C: Play consistantly in well connected matches D: Somehow avoid the dreaded 8-0 laggy matches that have screwed me on more than one occasion. I went yr1 and it was cool but would like to get better. People say "Just find a group, Idiot get gud skrub" but its alot harder than you think when you have no friends and alot of people you run into are either children or assholes...I got hatemail last night in doubles playlist from my teammate after we lost be 50 points and had nearly the exact same k/d ( He had 1 more kill). The other both had Cat Lighthouse emblem and my teammate did too. It would be nice that with all the strangers off lfg that Ive carried through raids and black spindle that by the grace of god karma I'd be able to find a couple cool players that were good to play with but from my experience this community doesn't really work that way and since my elo is a shitty 1200 I just have to slug through gold bounties to get the crap yellow trials stuff.. #skrubbedforlyfe

My main gripe is not the whole going flawless thing. Is the disgusting elitist mentality that comes with these kinds of people. So you are better than me in one aspect of a game. That doesn't make you better than me as a whole. The minute you put so much emphasis on one aspect of a game, you completely forget what the game was about in the first place. And that is to have fun, I have a guy on my friends list that I can't stand playing with on any PvP type because he thinks he's the best PvPer of the clan , and he basically plays in a scavenger style , he goes behind you and starts picking off the guys you were killing , thus inflating his kill count. I realized this very early on because When I play solo, I have around a 1.2-1.6 KD, and barely any assist maybe 4-5 tops at match , but when I play with him my assist count is around 15-20 and my kills at around 6-7 and I barely go positive. And then you are telling me I suck ?? Like dude , give me a bloody break. And to answer your question do I think flawless should have their own tiers ? No , because if you want to get there, you need to become better. But if you do get there you shouldn't belittle those who can't. [b] Become an inspiration to make others want to get better , don't become an elitist asshole that thinks he's gods gift to FPS and make everyone want to block you [/b] Because guess what ? You and me and everyone is going to die and move on and no one , and I mean no one is going to care that you went flawless on a game 20 years from now , heck I'm pretty sure no one cares that you went flawless in year one .

Yes! Make it a bit more fair: If the team consists of: - 3 Flawless Players = Matched against 3 Flawless Players only - 2 Flawless Players = Matched against a team with 2 Flawless Players only - 1 Flawless Player = Matched against a team with 1 Flawless Player only This would lead to longer matching times but it would be fair indeed. No stupid ELO Farming, no excuses.

Yea we've been suggesting this for a while now and I do believe this is how it will be changed after roi. The player pool should dwindle as people achieve flawless that's how tournaments are suppose to work. Once you win, you go to the winners playlist and play with other winners.

Surely those people doing carries/running repeatedly would just not use boons, and then reset their tickets when they have completed a run - so it would ultimately be a waste of Bungie's time to implement?

Let's say I go flawless 3x already but I want to help my bro that has never been, how would that work?

Why should it become progressively easier for people to get to the end game of PvP? This doesn't make sense. If the elite PvP players don't want scrubs getting to the light house they should be able to defend that territory. Raid bosses don't get easier as the week goes on.

Rocket League sort of figured carries out. If a 10 in skill rank is paired up with say a 1 rank then they are considered a 10 rank team and get matched up with other rank 10 teams Before it just averaged them and gave them rank 5 teams Destiny just needs to do the same but with skill level

Why are people still trying to make an [b]end-game[/b] PvP activity (which is supposed to be difficult) into something almost anyone can do with a little time and patience??

What about this for a controversial idea: Flawless trials? = lighthouse Flawless raider? = lighthouse Why does only pvp get the love?

Depending on how much this changes things, you could be potentially ruining people's jobs. How does that make you feel? Before a get a comment saying that need to get a, "real job" that is a real job. They enjoy what they're doing and they're making a living off of it.

You will get support on this but, you will get much more hate on it too lol

If you are trying to get bungie to make trials easier, that's not the way. The more appropriate way to go about it is to remove special weapons from trials. People rely on special weapons way to much. So they have potato aim (well the ones I seen anyway) when they aren't using special weapons, cough sniper and shotguns cough.