1: Snipers should be descoped when Taking damage from a weapon. 2: get rid of Quickdraw and Snapshot as perks and include these perks on all Sniper Rifles. 3: Make the last Sniper nerf undone.

Here I'm mostly talking about 3v3 game modes. And op has a certain stigma now, but it's core meaning is over powered. Which usually means, has advantage in most situations, and has little to no counters if used correctly. Take a look at skilled players. When I say skilled, I'm not talking about pros. I'm talking about anyone who picks up a weapon and practices with it, and with its tactics First, i want to say. All special weapons take skill. Snipers are in all senses the most op thing in destiny though. They are a special, with shotguns,fusions, and sidearms. Every one of those classes has a most effective type, with party crasher, plan c types, and well sidearms can't ohk. A skilled shotgunner is only effective at a close range. They can be countered by backing up with just a primary, or can be beat by a fusion from a further distance. A fusion rifle does short-short/mid distance ohk. A small charge can make it just like a shotgun with greater range, but again gives a second for a shotgunner or any class to dodge it's shot and close distance. Here's the sniper.... Again these are all in effective hands, but not gods. A sniper can ohk from any distance on the map, within a couple of seconds. The only strong counter is when in extreme close quarters. So it can beat every primary fight, every secondary fight, on most ranges. They are not forced to go close, in fact getting close is a mistake for a sniper, so it rarely happens. A shotgunner/fusion can only gain advantage in situations by risking the run in, camping in a corner, or baiting. Now for counters. Destiny is the dumbest sniping mechanical game ever. They literally gave every counter for a sniper, a solution. Between the low zoom scopes, which basically make the sniper a scout rifle with a little slower rtf, no flinch perks, high AA, quickscope capabilities, even viewing radar when ads, snipers have no counter when the right one is equipped. The sniper can literally take their time in every gun battle as they are already being shot, but they only need to shoot once. No sway, and the reticle lines up with the center of the screen, for easy quick shots. Literally just tape a small piece of paper in the center of your tv, and now you have a constant reticle, for quickscoping at any range. This is all especially true in 3v3 games, which is why trials is full of them. Another reason why the sniper hc combo is the most popular. As I've already said, the sniper can beat every gun in the game, other than heavy, at any range, besides close up shotgun range. This is where the handcannon comes in. A good sniper positions himself with a long or short lane. So that side is covered. So I come from behind, or on the side of him, with a shotgun, well a good sniper will then move slightly back, so by the time I slide around that corner, 3 quick shots with tlw, or 2 shots with luck in chamber, and I never even got within 10 feet of him. This style is op in this game. All it takes is the skill to use it.  The problem is, every playstyle takes skill to use effectively, but after all is said and done, this style beats all the rest. There is little risk to running a sniper, there is little counter to a sniper. For all purposes forget about abilities, supwrs, and teamwork, as these can be applied to any fight. But I don't see how anyone can not see the state of sniping mechanics in this game as simply, broken

For everyone below mentioning competitive play: competitive play consists of at max 5% of the player population in PvP. Bungie should not balance the game based on a minority. If the sane thing happening in competitive play happens in lower tiers I could see it, but as trials proves (in my experience) that isn't the case.

Here's what needs to happen low rate of fire pulse rifles and autos need a slight buff to damage and less damage fall off to compensate for the low fire rate. Snipers need to have more flinch across the board if you're getting destroyed and all shots are connecting by a scout or any other gun there is no reason the sniper should win that fight unless they go back under cover and then try and shoot again.

They need more random flinch and you shouldn't start with ammo. In halo, snipers and shotguns were power weapons. Everyone shouldn't spawn with special ammo. Special ammo crates should be something you control and fight over on the map. The pick up radius also needs to be smaller, more like heavy ammo.

Tru. But if not not, increase flinch

Omg. That's not going to fix the problem.

They need to tone down the special weapons and get more ppl using their primary's

Bump.

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