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작성자: SG553Airborne
8/2/2016 8:47:22 PM
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An experienced SNIPER'S opinion on Snipers VS. Shotguns discussion
(EDIT: Now that this is trending, id just like to say that the main purpose of this post is to address all of the hate and negativity between users of two very different special weapons with two very different playstyles. Thanks guys)
For a LONG time (mainly since shotguns were nerfed, "coincidentally*) there has been a growing community of anti-sniper vocalists in this community. While this group is annoying to me as a sniper, equally annoying is the group that sadly associates with me: the anti-shotgunners.
Over months of reading through this forum, it has frustrated me to no end see these two groups fight, and it seems to mirror something we see in the modern political sphere: Both sides believe that they are 100% right on 100% of the issues, and they tend to base their opinions often times not on their own personal experiences in life ( or in this case,the game) , but on the opinions of others in their group and very little actual game experience.
In my experience, those who hate on shotgunners are typically the ones who have tried picking up a shotgun, but had very limited success or became frustrated with the high risk of trades and death by primary weapons that come along with using a shotgun. These people see the potential of shotgunning, but cannot master it for themselves. I PERSONALLY find snipers much more suitable for this very reason, especially in 3v3 and elimination where deaths are much more costly to the success of your team. My point? Shotguns take skill, and a lot of it. It isnt the same TYPE of skill (i.e. precision and finesse with a controller) but snipers are definitely much more forgiving and that is why they are my first choice in any elimination game mode.
But wait, shotgunners- youre not off the hook. On the other side, there are the guys who have had the same experience but prefer the fast paced life of a shotgunner. They are percieved as mindless rushers (and some are) but in reality if you let a shotgunner get close enough to kill you before youve killed him with a primary, you deserve it. Its a special weapon. Anyway, I was saying- The group of shotgun fans who always talk shit about sniping are often the ones frustrated by the time it takes to learn decent target acquisition and precision. There is nothing wrong with that, but you CANNOT say that snipers do not take skill.
Please stop spreading this cancer through the community. Both weapon types take plenty of skill, and ill even say it: High impact snipers need body shot damage reduced GREATLY if we ever want a balanced crucible. It is simply too easy to bodyshot primary at the moment.
-SG553Airborne, a semi-pro sniper.
https://destinytrialsreport.com/ps/SG553Airborne
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3 답변I challenge everyone in here to do this! Play 5 games where the ONLY gun you fire is Universal Remote. Then play 5 games where the ONLY gun you fire is No Land Beyond. Report back with the results and we'll check your match history. [spoiler] Don't bother. We all know deep down already. [/spoiler]
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Totally agree with you bro! I'm primarily a shotgunner who used to snipe very often and figured that I hated being rushed and shotgunned, it's annoying as -blam!- but I also never had the patience to become a great sniper! Because frankly sniping does have a different skill set and has a steeper learning curve, that doesn't mean that shotguns are necessarily easy to use but a little more beginner friendly! But there are way too many elitist in this game who are either in too much favor of shotguns or snipers! But more people need to be a bit more objective(like you in this post)!
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2 답변What they have in common: Both require less skill than fusion rifles. [spoiler]jk, I suck with all of them[/spoiler]
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3 답변A shotguners skills don't come from muscle memory, precise aim, and high motor skills like they do with snipers It comes from the movement, map knowledge, instinct, descision making, and evade maneuvers You can't see map knowledge or the decisions a shotguner makes on the fly and adjusts to, which is why many believe they take no skill. Some people like luminosity make it easy to see the skill in movement, but others don't use evades and shoulder charge to dodge bullets, they use their own slides, sprinting, jumping, and even skating. Most people will call this blindly bum rushing, but the fact that they where able to close in so fast without being juked and while avoiding fire shows their movement skills
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6 답변작성자: The_amazing_P 8/2/2016 7:50:45 AMHigher damage snipers should either have bolt action, or all snipers 3 shot bodyshot with a little bit of a slower RoF, except NLB. Also the flinch should be increased. If you're a good sniper, you should be able to adapt. Higher damge shottys should suffer from a range decrease, while lower damage should have way better range. All shottys should have an overall damage increase. The amount of stability will now deter wether you get a narrow spread or not. All lower damage shottys have a 10% increase in stability.
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1 답변Shotguns and snipers are balanced The only problem with shotguns at the moment is it's a 50/50 chance on whether your bullets connect to the target or not because once you're close enough to shotgun, you're dead if your bullets don't connect.
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1 답변작성자: JweezyFrabreezy 8/2/2016 4:40:40 AMLiterally all comes down to playstyle. There are people that just L trigger snipe lanes and door ways for 2 minutes straight and there are people that crouch corners and doors with shottys staring at their radars for 2 minutes. I honestly dont care how i die as long as there was a way i could have prevented it. You dont have to push snipes lanes or blindly rush the shotgunner that is on your radar. The only thing i dont like snipers is the nonexistent flinch that happens when you get shoot while using one. Shotguns are in a good place right now. Not to easy to use but if you know how you to position yourself you can get multis easy
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1 답변If they added a hard flinch when you shoot a sniper so they can't stay on target that would balance it out tremendously.
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2 답변People who can snipe are amazing. It takes a level of patience I just do not have. I do have to say that there is a problem right now with an excessive amount of snipers in crucible which causes some maps to be so congested with red lights I feel like im wandering through the red light district in Amsterdam. My solution: Take snipers out of scope on hit. I think it is a fair change that doesn't really limit [b]good[/b] snipers and allows an alternative to having to flat out avoid a part of the map that someone is continually hard scoping for the entire match.
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I use certain special weapons for different aspects of the game. When it is for PvE I like to use shotguns and sidearms for the adds and snipers and fushion rifles for the boss. For PvP I am always using my sniper and fushion rifle. Though in full honesty I like using my Queenbreakers Bow since it is a combination of my 2 favorite weapon types.
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작성자: TheSolidChrome 8/2/2016 8:55:40 AMI on the other hand am an experienced shotgunner, in the first weeks of Destiny I used fusion rifles but after they got nerfed I switched to shotguns and ever since my go to special weapon is a shotgun, occasionly a sniper or fusion rifle. In my own experience I saw allot of good snipers having a difficult time using a shotgun and vice versa, both weapons take skill. I myself have a hard time using a sniper it just isnt my style of weapon. Dont get me wrong I love presicion weapons like Hand cannons and scout rifles but for some reason I can never get into sniper rifles in any game! I like to use my primary allot and when things get nasty or if someone is rushing my I tend to pull out my shotgun. The only thing thats a bit unbalanced IMO is the body shot + primary combo which takes minimum skill and is not counterable, ive had gunfights with players where I shoot first with my hawksaw but still lose the batle because of that combo. Body shot damage should be reduced for snipers where you can use that combo.
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1 답변Eh shotgun corner camper noobs and sniping whores who sit at the back scoped in piss me off equally
