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작성자: SG553Airborne
8/2/2016 8:47:22 PM
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An experienced SNIPER'S opinion on Snipers VS. Shotguns discussion
(EDIT: Now that this is trending, id just like to say that the main purpose of this post is to address all of the hate and negativity between users of two very different special weapons with two very different playstyles. Thanks guys)
For a LONG time (mainly since shotguns were nerfed, "coincidentally*) there has been a growing community of anti-sniper vocalists in this community. While this group is annoying to me as a sniper, equally annoying is the group that sadly associates with me: the anti-shotgunners.
Over months of reading through this forum, it has frustrated me to no end see these two groups fight, and it seems to mirror something we see in the modern political sphere: Both sides believe that they are 100% right on 100% of the issues, and they tend to base their opinions often times not on their own personal experiences in life ( or in this case,the game) , but on the opinions of others in their group and very little actual game experience.
In my experience, those who hate on shotgunners are typically the ones who have tried picking up a shotgun, but had very limited success or became frustrated with the high risk of trades and death by primary weapons that come along with using a shotgun. These people see the potential of shotgunning, but cannot master it for themselves. I PERSONALLY find snipers much more suitable for this very reason, especially in 3v3 and elimination where deaths are much more costly to the success of your team. My point? Shotguns take skill, and a lot of it. It isnt the same TYPE of skill (i.e. precision and finesse with a controller) but snipers are definitely much more forgiving and that is why they are my first choice in any elimination game mode.
But wait, shotgunners- youre not off the hook. On the other side, there are the guys who have had the same experience but prefer the fast paced life of a shotgunner. They are percieved as mindless rushers (and some are) but in reality if you let a shotgunner get close enough to kill you before youve killed him with a primary, you deserve it. Its a special weapon. Anyway, I was saying- The group of shotgun fans who always talk shit about sniping are often the ones frustrated by the time it takes to learn decent target acquisition and precision. There is nothing wrong with that, but you CANNOT say that snipers do not take skill.
Please stop spreading this cancer through the community. Both weapon types take plenty of skill, and ill even say it: High impact snipers need body shot damage reduced GREATLY if we ever want a balanced crucible. It is simply too easy to bodyshot primary at the moment.
-SG553Airborne, a semi-pro sniper.
https://destinytrialsreport.com/ps/SG553Airborne
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4 답변As someone who sits on neither one of these sides I just want to say that many of the Crucible maps favor either sniper rifles or shotguns. You're either too close or not close enough. So if you do get killed by a shotgun there's a reason for this. Same goes with sniper rifles. It doesn't mean you won't get kills using your primary; it's just that things tend to be unbalanced. I'm still going to use my auto rifle regardless of this :).
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15 답변Bungie needs to either get rid of shotguns completely or seriously nerf snipers because I'm tired of getting close ranged sniped. If a sniper is going to outdo a shotgun at close range then why are shotguns part of the game? If the range on shotguns ever get buffed back up, I don't want to here a single sniper complain again like the first time.
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2 답변That's why I use a sniper and universal remote. [spoiler]I started using this loud out a couple months before the April update. Don't want you to think that I went along with everyone else using this in past months Iron Banner. [/spoiler] [spoiler]I've been complimented by people saying they can't use UR if their life depended on it. [/spoiler]
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I use both. I consider myself better than average at sniping but have recently stopped. I used to be called a sniper scrub. Now, I'm called a shotgun scrub. No matter what I use, I'll always be a scrub. My clan tag says so too
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2 답변then you should know that breathing mechanics and sway should be part of sniping. hard scoping never really happens.
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12 답변I use both and neither takes skill. Shotguns you just ADS at someone and BLOOP dead. Snipers have aim assist, and even a perk that give you more. Plus a laggy connection it's really not that hard to land shots.
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Personally I feel like the only reason there's hate for shotguns and snipers is because they both have the highest one shot potential right? Besides fusions. And in a game where there is so much health people get annoyed when they spray someone and still get killed by either one. In cod no one complains about snipers and shotguns because every weapon has an extremely fast kill time. People target things that "stand out", think about it and everything that gets nerfed or people get banned because they "stand out". The only way to stop all the hatred is to either take away the weapons or nerf them to hell, which will all start a new form of hatred. So bungie needs to realize they aren't ever gonna make things perfect for our piece of sh** community. IMO bungie is doing a great job with this game. I'm a barely above average pvp player and I easily counter shotgun rushers and snipers, good and bad. So that's all I have to say.
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3 답변I think the reason that people hate snipers is because if you are good it is much easier to dominate a map with a sniper then with a shotgun. However, if you aren't one of those "elite" snipers then shotguns are much easier to use and to do well with. Obviously this is my opinion and is only really backed from personal experience. Usually if someone dominates a game I notice that they were using a sniper. Also, since I normally snipe, if I am having a bad game or two I will switch to my shotgun and 90% of the time my KD will improve. IMO it's easier to rush someone then to sit back and aim for the head.. However the ladder is much more satisfying.
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9 답변Personally I love snipers more than shotguns. To me getting a nice snipe kill feels way more rewarding. Especially when you get a quick scope headshot
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1 답변Primaries take more skill than both! Would love to see special ammo removed from Trials. Snipers should be descoped when hit and shotguns need rangefinder removing. Imo shotguns take more skill at the moment.
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8 답변I'm my opinion to make primaries relevant and end this god forsaken special meta, this is what should happen, this is just an idea obviously not perfected or fully thoughout but still I think it has potential: 1. Nobody starts matches with special, you want hat sniper or shotgun ammo then you have to earn it 2. To get special ammo you need 3-4 PRIMARY weapon kills, once you've done that you will be rewarded with 1-2 special rounds 3. Because of this no special boxes will ever drop 4. Die 3 times in a row and lose 1-2 special bullets 5. Ammo can stack in both directions meaning you can keep gaining special or keep losing it
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10 답변Hard scoping is the only way to snipe IRL. Quick scoping is where the issue lies, the percentage of landing a quick scope should be so rare that it should be used as a last resort. Even then you should only land it one out of every ten attempts, at best. This would make sniping realistic, as well as more meaningful.
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3 답변Did you see the people complaining about shotguns and snipers over at Infinityward, Treyarch,Blizzard,Valve,Rockstar,EA Games,2k Studios, and I'll stop there. Because you won't. Not ever. It seems Destiny has attracted a crowd of everyone knows best. It also seems the people that play Destiny complain the most. Don't believe me. Go check out other game discussions. You might see one or two nerfs posts. Maybe some fool talking about balance.
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I use a sniper rifle and although I'm only now getting into the game, I see easy solutions to the problems. 1. Base damage on distance. The closer you are to an opponent the less damage a sniper rifle should have. 2. Disallow aim assistance with a sniper rifle period. For the record, there is skill involved in picking off opponents when they're at a long distance. It isn't as simple as some think:). I don't have near as much experience as you guys but I haven't and would never use aim-assist...where is the skill in that?
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5 답변작성자: Chubbums 8/2/2016 8:17:32 PMEven Planet Destiny is tired of the primary vs sniper outcome that tends to happen way too often. It's not luck, it's not skill, it's broken mechanics. People sound like idiots when they say Snipers are fine.
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12 답변Hey, So I know different classes have different ways of shot gunning. Warlocks: Jump, shotgun, Melee. Titans:Juggernaut and skate rushing Hunters: Shadestep? I'm just not sure how I can effectively shotgun on a hunter. Should I use my warlock for that instead? I just feel like I'm at a disadvantage when I use my Hunter. Any advice is appreciated
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Been a shotgunner since day one and this post is spot on. People don't realize that it actually takes skill and game knowledge. I have a huge respect for skilled snipers, but I hate the snipers than just headglitch with their high aim assist rifles. Imo aim assist needs to be toned down. I took on sniping for a while and got to be pretty decent at it and I do agree it takes a different kind of skill, which unfortunately is clouded by the aim assist. Sometimes it's hard to tell if the person is actually good or if the game gave them the shot.
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작성자: Sophon 8/2/2016 9:57:51 PMI have wayyyy more sniper kills than other specials and I have to say, snipers need nerfing But only in one way, when you get hit by a primary while you're scoped in it should be like you're getting hit by year 1 mida with every weapon and your scope should be getting knocked left and right, not just up. Maybe also slight aim assist nerf too if that's not enough. Very slight.
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17 답변작성자: JonnyBX 8/3/2016 12:05:12 AMI snipe and shotgun I would say I enjoy sniping more. I think snipers need to take a hit, shotguns had a massive nerf and while they still do the job they are so inconsistent. I don't want the range buffing or anything like that id just like to be able to kill a guy from the same range and circumstances all the time. You never know whether your going to get the kill or not. Snipers hitting to the body shouldn't do so much damage. Let's be honest how easy is it to quick scope someone's body and 1 shot with a scout or grenade. I think all snipers should be bolt action or at least decrease the fire rate. Maybe a 100 damage count to the body and then at least 1 shot following taking a body shot wouldn't kill. Players that are genuinely skilled and accurate with a sniper shouldn't have a problem and it would stop players double body shotting so easily. Players may even return to using a primary in a one on one gun fight. I'm guilty of using a sniper at close range as well but it's just the easiest way to kill.
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I feel like snipers like you said need to have less body shot damage. A body shot should take shields off but should not leave you one shot for any primary. While on the other side shotguns need a slight DMG buff. The range is perfectly fine but the damage seems off, I have seen multiple occasion where shots with in melee range dead on there target do not kill the target. A shot gun should always 1 shot with in melee range of the shot is dead on. I run both snipers and shotguns pretty equally over the past 6 to 8 month in this game and do decent with both.
