First: There is not a "no nerf" option in the poll because whether we want it or not, I believe a Striker nerf of some sort is coming. The question is: what do we want it to look like?
Second: I am a Day 1 Striker Titan, who tends to be a staunch defender of the sub-class. However, shoulder charge is, in my opinion, the cheapest kill in the game. That said, [u]I am not calling for a nerf.[/u] It’s just that I see one coming, and would like to weigh-in on the right way to do it without ruining Strikers.
Here are my suggestions for nerfing shoulder charge:
1. Even with MK 44 Stand Asides equipped, increase the turning radius while sprinting. Whether wearing them or not, it should be impossible to turn a 90-degree corner while maintaining the momentum necessary for a successful shoulder charge.
2. Unless the Striker jumps while shoulder charging, there should be zero verticality to the attack. After all, this is not a super. It's essentially a melee and should be similarly directional.
3. Limit the target detection area to an expanding triangle directly in front of the Striker. The detection area should extend no more than 3 feet, and be approximately two body-widths wide at its widest point (i.e. 3 feet in front of the Striker). Enemies to the Striker’s immediate left or right should not be identified in the target search. Enemies behind, above or below should never be identified as targets.
4. Increase shoulder charge cool-down and/or make shoulder charge a melee, such that shoulder charge and melee reset each other's cool-down. Make Titans be more thoughtful and strategic than the current run-n-charge-n-melee-n-charge-n-melee-[i]ad infinitum[/i] that we have now.
Anyway, comments are appreciated. Whether we want it or not, a nerf is coming. What do [i]you[/i] think it should look like?
And if you complain that these suggestions would ruin shoulder charge, I say so be it. [b]There is a nerf coming to Striker Titans[/b]. The question is: what kind of nerf are we willing to tolerate? For me, I’d be fine with a nerf to shoulder charge. It’s a cheap mechanic anyway.
And want to know the best part of this nerf: IT WOULDN'T AFFECT PvE! Hallelujah!
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3 답변Maybe a "No Nerf Needed" choice would be nice as well, for those who don't want any more nerfs.
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8 답변The way I see it, people flock to a subclass ability and a weapon that they decide they don't like. Last time, it was Firebolts/Shadestep and Doctrine of Passing. This time around, we have Shoulder Charge on the chopping block. Yet another move that was [b]never[/b] a problem before, until now. Weapon-wise, we're looking at a Universal Remote/Grasp of Malok nerf. This [i]needs[/i] to stop. These "issues" were never issues before now. It's another example of people refusing to accept that they get outgunned and outplayed.
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3 답변Let me tell you this. If they nerf shoulder charge juggernaut is next and if they nerf that too lighting nades and skating is next hell ppl want the defender nerfed. Next will Void Walker .......ect you get the gist. Bungie dev when they release D2 they should get some back bone and stick to there design unless something is completely broken.
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3 답변Bungie should put shoulder charge on a cooldown, and depending on a player's Strength, the cooldown is decreased or increased. Also I believe shoulder charge shouldn't count as a melee charge. Tbh, I find it funny how just now everyone is calling for a striker nerf. (Not talking about CL in particular)
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2 답변It is NEVER coming really, it's the Striker's way to knockout unsuspecting snipers without a weapon, and it takes a bit less skill than a throwing knife, one final point.. SHOTGUNS EXIST TO COUNTER IT!!!
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1 답변작성자: Zarahi Sunstrider 7/21/2016 2:19:11 PMI like how Striker is just now becoming a problem. I bet money most of the people complaining about SC are hard scopers or people who try to run in Rambo style with a shotgun 24/7.
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Just do this make shoulder charge the melee so it's given a cooldown or give it an actual cooldown an the fist of havoc just take away it's invincibility cause I'm tired of useing a super an someone activates the fist an just resists it understand I'm not saying nerf but I'm saying fix it there should be no nerfs there should just be fixes
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작성자: CatMan 7/21/2016 8:06:47 PMI'm on the fence, titans only have SC going for them. They don't have blink, I have/hate that turtle shell if an exotic that has been nerfed, but at the same time.... Yeah it's getting nerfed. I do agree, you shouldn't be able to sprint at a wall and hit someone from around the corner or 180 and hit someone.....[i]breathing heavily[/i].. I need to sit down..... I voted. Yep it it has to get nerf option one for sure.
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7 답변Sell out! Shoulder charge is fine. It's not even the best perk in that tree, just nobody realizes it yet. "Shoulder charge is OP" said noone ever who wasn't using a sniper rifle as their primary.
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1 답변I can agree with #3. On point #2, I always jump if I need to so I would be OK with that as well. As for #1, exotics are called exotics for good reason. Besides, most Strikers don't use the MK 44's over other preferred exotic armor. Not to keen on point #4. On the whole a good attempt to find a solution to the sudden uproar.
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2 답변I agree with the turn radius thing. My sensitivity is on 3, so I can, but very seldom do the turn 180 and SC. For younger twitchier games who have sensitivity on 9 or 10, they'll take a bigger hit from that. I don't think a cool down is a bad idea either. If they nerf it to Hades, so be it. I still got my Mida and my Party Crasher+1. :)
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1 답변Upvoting for justice. People need to read the whole post before fat-fingering that downvote.
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1 답변I don't see the problem with striker. Defender is overall a better class I may eyes, how is it that defender is more suited for shotguners?
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1 답변The target detection is the only thing that needs some tweaking. I'm a lifelong striker myself. Now....... I would MUCH RATHER bungie take sniper rifles and burn them all. But that is just me.
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1 답변I disagree with any changes to any power or ability to any class. Also titans range of melee attack is poor and we are given one that has to be charged by running toward an enemy. Easily countered,
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I agree with all but the cooldown. It already basically has one with the sprint activation and it's very easy to shut down. The other points are valid. If you tied it to your melee this would ruin how many Titans use it for agility only and never really for kills. It shouldn't be tied to a melee ability.
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2 답변It would be pointless if Shoulder Charge tied to a melee. Here is why: -Shoulder Charge would be a Storm Fist kill. -Shoulder Charge would be able to regained INSTANTLY due to the "Overload" perk where Storm Fist hits and Kills have a huge chance to regen your melee, which in your case is Shoulder Charge. -Shoulder Charge would be BUFFED due to it being a Storm Fist (remember April Update?). -Shoulder Charge would start persuading people to Use An Insurmountable Skullfort and Monte Carlo [spoiler]Skullfort Regenerates Health on Storm Fist Kills, grants two melee charges and Shoulder Charge Kills (it already does that) and Monte Carlo restores melee charge on damage and kills[/spoiler] -Another thing to Know is that Overload reduces Strom fist cool down time by alot. I'd say 10 to 15 seconds just with Tier 4 strength. TL:DR: If we had to tie Shoulder Charge to a [u]Melee Charge then:[/u] Picture A Striker Titan with: -Tier 4 Discipline and Strength, Tier 3 Intellect or potentially 4. -Insurmountable Skullfort -Monte Carlo -Storm Fist with Overload or Amplify -Headstrong -Titan Codex I and V -Shoulder Charge -Aftermath The titan would most likely Titan Skate due to his agility being super low in exchange for High Recovery and Armor. While he is Skating, Shoulder Charge activates and he uses it on a guardian. Since he has insurmountable Skullfort equipped, he Skates at a faster speed and holds another charge to shoulder charge again and He regains the one he just used thanks to overload. If the Titan is too far away to risk a shoulder charge, he whips out Monte Carlo and kills his target, regenerating his melee for another Shoulder Charge. At the same time, he gets a kill Storm Fist kill, regenerates health, AND gets its back due to overload. He repeats this process again and again, stopping supers since his Shoulder Charge is tied to a melee charge, it gets a buff from the April Update, enabling him to 1-Shot Supers with armor (Sunbreaker, Stormcaller, etc). That's my response.
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10 답변How about we have dance offs instead of shooting eachother. Would that make it happy?
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13 답변My only concern with making it just a melee charge thing is that it would completely ruin how strikers get around the map.
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1 답변작성자: Soul_Eater_42 7/20/2016 10:38:58 PM
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4 답변When did you become a nerf herder? Nothing needs to happen with strikers they are fine.