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작성자: Mickey Joystiqs 7/7/2016 4:55:44 PM
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Trials Of Osiris RUINED

Trials Of Osiris, was a place for teams to compete in elimination against other teams to try and get prizes and 9-0 cards. Where honestly people had a chance to win with a decent amount of skill. People would team up and work together and no quit. Now it's turned into nothing but Twitch streamers carrying, lack of SBMM or CBMM, and breeds an insurmountable amount of hate and hostility towards each other as players. The numbers don't lie there has been a significant drop in new people making it to the light house. It's a consistent same "Sweaties/tryhards" who smash anyone in their path to make it to the lighthouse and then continue to do it for fun. You have people PAYING MONEY to get carried to the light house cause it's so hard to do now with the way it's set up. Year 2 trials is an absolute horrid monster and needs to be slain. Now with this Destiny Trials Reports people are being SHUNNED by others for ELO and stats, and you, Bungie!, who nerfed Gjallarhorn because you didn't like the divide in the community have SHOWCASED this cancer that destroys the community more than anything else you've done to the game has. Trials is no longer fun. It's no longer a challenge. It's a horrible slog that it near impossible to reach the end. SBMM/CBMM is non existent factor that should be implemented as players who have struggled to get where they are go against people who have a breeze to get to the same win and then the players who struggled are knocked back down to peg one to start over or get lagged out. Trials is no longer a friendly community rivalry game mode but a place where people can make money? It's corrupt and breeds hate amongst player base. The top stay at the top while the bottom cannot move up at all. Please fix trials. Go back to Year 1 or make a better formula. Trials is not where you want it to be, and you cannot let it get worse. Please fix Trials. EDIT: Wasn't aware that SBMM wasn't included in Trials. Which is kinda of dumb as again being a team who struggled to get to 5 wins playing against a team who had a breeze getting to 5 wins is still bad. EDIT 2: Not attacking streamers who stream the game, moreso streamers who get paid to carry/carry in general. You're ruining the game mode even more by carrying. EDIT 3: A bracketed rank would be more than ideal as that's how pretty much every other shooter does with their "competitive" game modes, thank you to people in the comments posting their ideas, I appreciate it a lot. And to the people who are against this, all I have to say is "why?" Why would you be against more players having a chance? What's wrong with that? If you're good now, that's not going to change. It'll still be "hard" as you claim it should be. It'll just be a more personalized challenged to you and your team. So why are you against it? You say you're amazing and that it's supposed to be hard and challenging and "not meant for everybody" but how is it hard when you face a lot of teams not even close to you? Scared that when push comes to shove you'll fold? Just wondering tbh... EDIT 4: Never said I personally could not make it to 5 wins. That was used as an example as to why the playing against someone with the same wins isn't as fair as you'd think. And by the way, artificial difficulty, isn't a challenege. It isn't competitive, it's something you're making up to be hard to justify it. Again there is NO reason you should be against changing trials for everyone. The game is 2 years old with the final expansion on its way. It's not a hardcore game in any sense of the word, just let everyone have a chance to get to the light house, and as someone commented below "the real scrubs will fail regardless". Also btw, saying that its supposed to be hard and not for everyone, but then saying carries are okay, should probably leave the post cause you're being very hypocritical. Also this "practice practice practice" mentality isn't always the answer. If you can't even have a chance to put what you've learned to the test and see where you went wrong, Again there is absolutely NO REASON for you to be against this. Even if you don't like SBMM then even CBMM would be better. EDIT 5: Forget to mention something. The current meta, i.e HROF Pulses or Autos/Snipers for the most part. Before in Trials, I could use almost any weapon I wanted to as long as it wasn't complete trash, Suros, Red Death, maybe an Invective for fun. Maybe a slow hand cannon with high impact, you get where I'm going with this. You could have weapon diversity and again, compete. You're competing with other people with YOUR personal favorite guns and set up. But now it's the same everywhere. The meta is also currently killing trials slowly, what happened to really testing your mettle with the weapons and set up you bonded with? Why does the new meta have to be the new meta. Is your chant of "git gud" also "get the same weapons everyone else is using" ? This isnt' going away for three days straight this post has gotten attention from a LOT of people. Keep replying for or against, whatever. This WILL get noticed by Bungie, and WE WILL as a COMMUNITY seek changes.

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  • Agreed brackets is a really good idea. If people did decide to lose games to stay in lower brackets bungie could always go further and make it once a player has got to the lighthouse they are locked out of trials so they can go three times a week the move on and play something else . Bungie has always said everything in destiny should be able to be completed by everyone who plays destiny. Bs bungie everything is but trials unless you get carried. Listen to us and let above average to good players get to the lighthouse and not just the best/streamers/hackers get there all the time.

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  • B.U.M.P

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  • I can't see it changing either. All the air time the game gets from streamers and you tubers, doing flawless runs and carries.

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  • This is way large parts of player base (like myself) avoid pvp outside of IB. Add Ranked playlist with tiered rewards and you would get a lot more pve/pvp casuals doing trials & crucible each week

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  • Agreed. Posted something similar to this last month. Right on the money op.!!!!

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  • The reason why trials is so difficult right now is the the only group of people left playing the game are the more hardcore, which means the "sweaties" and streamers are more likely to be matched up against. It is impossible to prevent carries, paying for flawless is scummy, but stop complaining about how its impossible to win as a lower skilled player, so get better.

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  • I like where this post is going however SBMM needs to be perfected before being implemented into something like ToO. I frequently get stuck in a cycle of stomping opponents, then getting stomped repeatedly due to the constant SBMM changes. It should really bracketed as others have said, rather than rapidly changing.

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    • What map is it

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    • What if you do carries for people who can never go flawless without a sweaty? Don't you think we should help them go to the lighthouse? It's exactly what i do for my friends and their friends who can't go to the lighthouse. The only problem i see is CBMM which is a horror when you play someone hundreds of miles away but if they do take off SBMM it would be too easy to go flawless and there would barely be any challenges and trials would have no purpose in being called a "competitive" game mode.

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      • I really feel it should be bracket based. If you've won at the lighthouse you're automatically bumped up to the next bracket at 10 wins at the lighthouse you're bumped up again. Same at 50 and 100, don't get me wrong there should be rewards for each, guaranteed better each rank and bracket, but it would help those who have never been and at the same time make it more challenging for those that go every week.

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      • I agree but it may be a little over kill. I am in no sense one of the best players. But I can get to game 9 almost every run. Shoot last weekend we got to the 9th game using supercell and other "joke" guns. Don't get me wrong there have been plenty of people I've played with ELO 2100+ and it SUCKED. But I never gave up or complained to Bungie about it. It makes me better. (Yes I yelled at me tv calling the sticky sweats.) Matchmaking is fine for trials I like be matched against someone 8-0 with one lost when I'm in the same boat. I DO NOT however support people paying to get taken. Bungie needs to address that.

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        • Just strolled on in to say hi! And bump

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          • Bumpety bump bump

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            I'm ready for this weekend to deal with teams like this.

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          • I think Overwatch has a great system for ranked play. You play 10 initial matches which gives you an overall ranking. Once you get your rank you then play officially ranked matches against other people in your same bracket or skill level. Trials should really be the same way. That way all the sweaties can play all the sweaties and the scrubs can play the scrubs.

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            • Would just like to say that I enjoy playing good teams in trials. The first 5 matches usually lack luster and result in enemies routinely trying one way of attack, failing, then trying again. If you can't out snipe a guy. Then stop trying, push on on him with grenades and primary. If the enemies are aggressively pushing, camp with your team and gun down anybody who shows up. If shit gets serious use the best tactic in destiny to date: [spoiler]run away and regroup[/spoiler] Honestly I'd have more fun in ToO if I could try my hand at beating streamers. One day I'd love trying to out snipe realkraftyy (though I doubt I would) and who cares if I get 5 - 0ed. Atleast I can have a fun and rough match. To this date nothing feels better than having two of your teammates die and still manage to clutch a round.

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            • Yeah none of these big nerfs came until trials appeared

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              • Okay trials isn't affected by SBMM. It goes by the number of wins on your card, and favors connection.

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              • I agree trials is bs !

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              • Agreed. First I'll say I'm by no means good at Crucible. Look at my stats and tell me different. I'm average at best when it comes to PvP, but I'm able to hold my own the majority of the time. Second I will say that I do understand the reason why Trials is set up the way it is. The concept makes sense. If you have 5 wins then you will play others who have 5 wins. Because Trials is really a kind of tournament I can see why this is the system in place. But, nobody can deny that there is a problem, and if you do then you're either part of the problem, or so inexperienced in Trials that your opinion holds no merit. The problem is that the game doesn't take a players skill into account. Why should I be playing streamers? Maybe every once in a while I need my ass handed to me, but every card is the same thing. It's the definition of insanity. I fight tooth and nail for my 5-7 wins and then go up against teams made entirely of the upper 3% back to back. There needs to be a tier system. Gold players play gold players. Silver plays silver, etc... Without this there is no improvement. I play and get better and better, but then reach a wall that China would be jealous of because the "elite" want to remain where they are. No, the lighthouse isn't for everyone. But for someone who routinely made it flawless in year 1 to not even have a chance in year 2?... Something needs to be reworked and this is the best option I can think of.

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                • 작성자: Grumpychef82 7/8/2016 4:31:09 AM
                  When you hit the lighthouse on one character you should be done and move to the next character and so on. Once all three are complete you're done and not allowed back in. "But I can't help my friends" Honestly find a group you can do elimination matches with and stick with them, if everyone did this there would be no need for people to help and carry others. It would also keep people from playing just for the sake of shutting others out of a chance to see the lighthouse. Once all the sweaty players are done everyone else can play without wasting glimmer and passage coins. 99% of streamers play as hunters and solely use snipers, the data to back up that statement is on the trials site, just look it up. I have worked for the lighthouse once after that bungie updated PvP several times now all you get is sweat match after sweat match. To me a sweaty match every now and again is cool but not nine in a row. Hence I don't play trials anymore just the regular broken PvP.

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                • Fact is, I agree with you! Trials needs to go back to year one matchmaking. End of story. Every trials post is littered with these "get gud" responses and trials isn't for everyone. There has always been a "snowflake" aspect to destiny. It was weapons (gjallarhorn) and or rare shaders that made people feel like they had something someone else didn't. That has all gone away with the relentless nerfs resulting in basically everything being and feeling the same, not balanced, but lackluster. The one thing that this small group of individuals that go to he lighthouse every weekend, multiple times is the one thing they can still be a little "snowflake" about. They go easily and want more than anything for you not to be able to get there. That is their hold. So they play relentlessly all weekend getting all of their characters to the lighthouse and then continue to play to keep others out. Like it's their job or duty to be doorkeepers. No matter how relevant or insightful your argument, they don't hear a word of it. They want it the way it is because being a snowflake makes them feel good about themselves, maybe the only thing they are any good at. So rather than listen to reason and want to help other guardians get to experience this portion of the game to its fullest, they will fight you tooth and nail to make sure that you and every other player that doesn't run with super tryhards or isn't being carried, doesn't get to experience the good part of trials. The triumph of winning. The experience of just having a fair "chance" at winning or seeing the lighthouse. The fact that people are exploiting this horrible system to make money is an atrocity. Like you pointed out, they had to take g-horn away due the fax that it made people feel shut out of activities. Trials is this times 1000. It's the gjallarhorn tragedy on an epic scale. Why can't bungie see this? No clue. We all know they actually know exactly what's going on, but why they choose not to make needed changes is the real question.

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                • Bro the new meta doesn't have to be the new meta.. I get what your saying but honestly if you want to challenge yourself.. Get good. Don't take that the wrong way I'm just saying I do fine with my hereafter in trials, last week I went on a 25 game win streak with it.. Honestly you just need to have more skill then the opponent for diversity..

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                • it isnt that bad man.

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                • Yes I agreed went 7,0 last week encountered shotgun sweatys and a guy doing carries

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                  • When I started playing Destiny, I was godawful at PvP. I averaged at about 4 kills a game, and my KD was less than 0.6 . Then I heard about a new expansion coming out that contained a brand new PvP game mode called "Trials of Osiris". Now, my merry band of followers and I couldn't wait to jump in and achieve the ultimate victory. The first weekend Trials was available, my fireteam flew into the Burning Shrine, all hyped up. Our first game we got 5-0ed. Our second game, we got 5-0ed. This pattern continued all weekend, spanning across 15 cards. Each round was a massacre, and it felt amazing to even win one. The next week, we loaded into the Black Garden, to fight on Pantheon. We started winning a game here and there, and it felt amazing, eventually managing to get 5-0 consistently. We played trials almost every weekend until a few days before the Taken King arrived. I logged into Destiny at 1:00 and joined my buddy's fireteam. We soon found out that it was the worst map known to guardians: Black Shield. We knew this weekend was going to be a pain, but I was hoping to grab the Scholar. We played a few cards, managed to get 6-0 before getting pubstomped. We quit for the night, and the next day we vowed to complete a card, even if it was 9-2. To our amazement, we actually managed to go 9-0, without losing a single game. We were so excited to fly into Mercury and open that massive chest. We flew into the reef for the last time in Year 1, proudly wearing our new exotic emblems. My point is that you have to really enjoy doing trials to get better, and you won't go flawless immediately. My fireteam and I still lose games quite often, but we occasionally go flawless, and in no way are we tier 1 players.

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