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7/3/2016 12:11:38 AM
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Rules of War in Islam.
Let me tell you; the thing I hate [i]most[/i] is when people on these forums see the name "Muhammed" and immediately assume his religion caused him to commit any bad deed.
It bothers me even more when you people cite certain quotes from the Quran in order to prove [i]how bad we are.[/i]
http://myjihad.org/prophet-muhammads-rules-of-war/
[quote]Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged… Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is God’ — And if God did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down temples and churches and synagogues and mosques… (22:40-41).
Thus, the permission — not commandment — to fight is defensive. And that fighting protects temples, churches, synagogues, and mosques — which is to say, universal religious freedom.
While critics and extremist groups both love to cite Quranic excerpts like “kill them where ye find them,” they ignore that such verses clearly refer to treatment of those who would violently persecute Christians, Jews, or any person because of his faith. Indeed, Muhammad commanded the following uncompromising rules of war:
O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well… for your guidance in the battlefield! Do not commit treachery, or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.
Thus, Muhammad’s rules of war permit defensive fighting against active combatants while forbidding harm to anyone or anything else — human, animal, or property. Contrast this with Hamas rocket attacks and PIJ terrorist attacks — the distinction is clear. Likewise, as Gaza’s death count rises, Israel also has blood on its hands. According to Muhammad’s rules of war, no justification exists for either side to attack civilians, property, animals, or anyone who is not an active combatant.[/quote]
This is only a fragment of the source. Please read through it all. Any "extremist" groups you see, are not "extremists".
They are murderers hiding behind a religion. They've broken almost every commandment. Please do not generalize every Muslim based on their name. I say this because of a recent thread I saw; one person commented "What do you expect? His name is Muhammed" and was met with two comments agreeing with him.
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작성자: BlaqSpiral 7/5/2016 1:49:49 PMKuffar(kufir)... [quote]Kafir is what the Koran and Islam call the unbelievers. Kafir is the worst word in the human language. The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is: Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah. Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did? Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come. Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly[/quote] [quote]Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!” Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds. Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.[/quote] [quote]Rāpe Ishaq 759 [Mohammed’s official biography] On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation. Christians and Jews are infidels, but infidels are kafirs, too. Polytheists are Hindus, but they are also kafirs. The terms infidel and polytheist are religious words. Only the word “kafir” shows the common political treatment of Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, animist, atheist and humanist.[/quote]
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45 답변Sorry, bud, but Islam only says not to harm the innocent and later defines this as not attacking and killing Muslims and the such. All nonbelivers aren't innocent by the word of Muhammad like here: [quote]Soon we shall cast terror into the hearts of unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent with no authority: their abode will be the fire: and evil is the home of the wrong-doers[/quote] Surah 3:151 Along many parts of the Quran, this defining of non Muslims as evil is the justification necessary to circumvent all other rules. [quote]O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you a harshness; and that Allah is with the godfearing[/quote] Surah 9:123 [quote]And fight them until there is no more Fitna (disbelief) and religion is all for Allah[/quote] Quran 8:39 The context for these is when Muhammad was denied entrance into Medina after he declared war on Mecca. The ban was on only armed groups, which Muhammad was. This "religion is all for Allah" has become the sole justification for breaking into this non Muslim city and slaughtering all inside of it, as we know Muhammad did based on objective history Muslims are allowed to kill noninnocents and no non Muslim is innocent but the real qualifier is if you RESIST Islam. The resistance to Islam is viewed as evil and qualifies you for death, as we see above [quote]Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been made forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued[/quote] Quran 9:29 Again we see the sole justification for the subduing of Christians and Jews and such being nothing more than their faith. Now you may be saying: "but that contradicts Allah's previous teachings!" and you would be absolutely correct but in Islam and even Christianity, there's a thing called abrogation Abrogation means: "repeal or do away with (a law, right, or formal agreement" While in Christianity there is Old and New Testaments to break down, Islam doesn't have this and so all of Muhammad's old laws and rules are abrogated by new rules and laws. This is how all religious texts work, regardless and for better or for worse [quote]Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are ruthless against the disbelievers and merciful amongst themselves[/quote] Quran 48:29 Here we see abrogation taking place during the increasing military might and gearing up for conquering and slaughtering 2/3 of the Christian world in the name and justification of Islam [quote]Remember when your Lord inspired to the angels: "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who hath disbelieved so strike them upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip[/quote] Surah 8:12 Supporting the previous violence later on Also note that this quote was not in context to any war or anything. These were open-ended calls that became central to traditional Islamic ideology Do all Muslims believe and follow this? No Did Muhammad teach this? Yes Are terrorists justified in their holy war? Yes, by Islam Do we need to draxx them schloonst? Absolutely.
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12 답변Any religion that could be interpreted by anyone as a motivation to decapitate other people is a terrible religion which needn't exist.
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2 답변I was going to bomb you with shit on abrogation and context but then Monsieur Azazel just nuked your thread with Islam so that's about it.
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2 답변Shit happens when you keep the joke running for too long. Not to mention Islam has never been reformed.
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I think the main source of confusion is so many people regard Islam as one thing. It isn't. Just like Christianity, there are various sects which believe various doctrines. You can't simply say Muslims are X. It's far too broad to ever be true.
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4 답변작성자: arosa-gti 7/3/2016 1:05:13 AMA muslim just told me to kill myself and get my facts straight (when I hadn't even stated any fact) because of asking him why does he believe in god and some similar questions. I've lost all the faith I had on islam.
