Let's go over this conversation [quote]Shoulder Charge is not an actual melee ability. That is Storm Fist. Shoulder Charge is a separate ability that deals melee damage.[/quote] To which I said: It's still a 1hk You: So is my super (?) Me: One has a huge cooldown time, the other has no cooldown You: Blink strike has cooldown? That's where I get confused about what your trying to say. Point is shoulder charge [i]does[/i] count as a melee even if it's not [i]the[/i] melee of strikers. Dunno what supers or blink strike have to do with it.

Blink Strike is the only melee that can kill a guardian at full health, if Backstab procs. Shoulder Charge is not a melee but is an ability that deals melee damage. Your response was that it kills in one hit so it should be compared. My retort, although somewhat implied, was that supers kill in one hit too. More specifically Arc Blade and Suncharge, which both deal melee damage. I don't think you would compare these to your regular melee ability even though both of them do melee damage.

Again, your comparing supers to an always active perk. Supers require around 4 mins to charge, SC has zero time

So?

Big difference between an insta kill that's always active and one that active after 4 mins. Backstab has a cooldown, flame shield has a cooldown, just because shoulder charge isn't in the same tree as melee does not mean it's not a melee attack. And btw I don't care at all about shoulder charge, it doesn't bother me in the least, so not crying to nerf it

Shoulder Charge isn't a melee ability so don't compare it to melee abilities. It just deals melee damage, like some other things that aren't melee abilities. End