Nobody liked having 3 of the same class to get full raid gear

It is a little ridiculous because all three of my characters reached it, and one hasn't even got to the nightstalker mission, but I raid a lot, and do all of the above you mentioned. I also am getting mad about the people that join HM because they think they have the light for it. ITS THE MECHANICS PEOPLE! I had a guy post 330+ experienced only KF HM. At least 2 of the guys staid quiet, and pretended to be experienced. We can tell right away who you are, so stop pretending man up, ask questions, or don't join! Experienced means I know my shit, not I've been carried once threw!

Artifact is the tedious thing

Yr one I hit level 30 after only 5 or 6 VoG runs. Crota took maybe 4 or 5 to hit max level. Yr 2 I had no desire to run Kings Fall for a number of reasons. As of today I am still not even close to max level. Max level means nothing unless you want it too.

You miss that ridiculous y1 "grind"? Felt more like a chore after a while. You're nuts.

I don't like KF. Shitty raid IMO, so i'm even didn't try it on hard, only normal couple times, just for quests. But i like all other abilities to get max level (banana, arena, rank ups).

Agree i got all 3 chars at 335 without the raid Havent done the raid since jan 6 when beat all the challenge modes and collected all 50 fragments I prefer how it is now It gives all players casual and hardcore players lots of options to level up besides just having one activity. Bungie did a pretty awesome job I love the update Bungie made it possible to get a exclusive helm that took us 51 tries to get before the update. After the update with the booster we can get it within five hours. The helm 8 speak of is the saber strike warlock helm

They have been leaning more towards the casual player so they don't get discouraged

Beta/Day 1 player, long time listener first time caller... Year 1: Bungie has this game going through cycles it seems. VoG days it was very difficult to hit max light, it took getting lucky RNG drops on each character while also having the upgrade materials necessary and time necessary to upgrade each piece of armor. Crota the drops started to be a bit more lucrative. I remember only hitting max light on 2 out of 3 characters in the VoG days, and in my very first Crota normal raid I receive all but one piece for a complete set on my warlock. This would have never happened in VoG. Then house of wolves came out, along with etheric light and now one upgrade material could get you to max light very simply, making it easy peasy to hit max light. Year 2: The taken king comes out, normal kings fall you are once again relying on RNG drops to not only give you the armor you need but also at a light higher than your current light with no backroad info there to tell what you had previously received. Hard mode comes out with the same logic as normal mode. Instant light increases just due to hard mode items dropping between 310-320, but still the forever 29 methodology of waiting for an RNG drop of a 320 item to hit that magic max light. Challenge mode comes out and guarantees a max light item upon completion. Now it is much easier than it was and RNG is cut down a notch. A couple of weeks worth of challenge mode competitions across all 3 characters and you have a pretty fine shot of getting to max light, except for those pesky ghost and class item drops that do not have a challenge mode to obtain. Crimson doubles = free max light ghosts got everyone! (But what about meh class itemz!!!) April update: Infusin at 100%, end game light level drops at or above you current light, trials/IB/PoE/Raid drops all basically increasing your light every time you complete them. Exotic engrams as an easy way to max light. [b]back to HoW days[/b] Future: my guess is that we will get an event that will make it even easier for everyone (mainly including those who play casually alone) to easily hit 335 and then the next major content release will have us back at the VoG/Kings Fall normal reliant on RNG. Damn that was long.../

Customization bruh!

I hate hearing how people got three 335 characters within 3 weeks. Pisses me off. I just finally got my second 335 ghost and I raid 3 times a week every week and do PoE. I just keep getting 334 ghosts. Finally got to 335 on my Titan and just need a 335 chest for my Hunter and a 335 Ghost for my Warlock. Nothing I can do about it. Bad luck I suppose. Why do I hate when others say they got to 335 so quickly? Because I don't want to run King's Fall anymore but I want 335 more, so I keep running it. I know, it's just a game and who cares. I feel compelled though.

It not going to be difficult to the hardcore

they made it easier to reach max light/level at every update/dlc released! first few months of destiny: - almost no legendary engrams drop (and no drops from bosses) - max level only with raid armor - raid vault of glass was very hard - needed to get ascendant energy and shard (total of 18 per armor/weapon to upgrade completely) - needed to farm for spinmetal, relic iron... no way to get them from bounties or buy them, or drop. Was hours of farming on each planet to get enough to upgrade just one piece of armor/weapon. - bounties were long and hard. Now a typical crucible bounty is to kill two guardian with a single stromtrance use... easy! At the beginning it was like getting 10 dead man's hand / master blaster... it's not easy to get one, so getting 10!!! just for 100 crucible reputation! - crucible and vanguard marks were limited to 100 each per week. a weapon was 150. so you were able to buy a crucible weapon every week and a half. only 3 marks were dropping per crucible game, so you had to play 33 each week, to get the 100 marks. - back then there were very very few level 30 in the tower. Then Crota's end was released. - max level was reachable by doing crota raid, which was much more easy than vault of glass (people even solo it completely), and by doing the iron banner (but you had to reach rank 5 in all iron banner events to get to that armor). - no need to farm anymore, you were able to get relic iron... by doing daily mission and some bounties. - bounties were made easier. for example the bounty to get 10 dead man's hand (3 hand cannon headshot kills in the same life) was replace by getting only 10 hand cannon kills. then House of Wolves - bounties made even easier - prison of elder was hard - Trials of osiris came up - possibility to reach max level by ascending pieces of armor with etheric light (which you were getting by doing trials, PoE (34 and 35) and could drop in nightfall. - no need of shard/energy anymore, much faster to upgrade weapons, much less farming necessary. then the TTK dlc - infuse system - max light by doing hard raid / Trials of Osiris / Iron Banner - bounties made even easier - legendary marks instead of crucible/vanguard ones, much easier to get a lot - Oryx raid much easier than Vault of Glass (if you know what you are doing and if you don't die it's really easy, at least compared to Vault of Glass in Hard when you were only level 28). - nightfall are not nightfall anymore (you don't go back to orbit if you all die) - Iron banner bounties are made much easier also, and the rep you gain by turning them was increased by a lot. You can rank up to 5 in your third character on the sunday in less than 2 hours of playing, which was completely impossible initially. April update - plenty of way to get 335 drops - new prison of elder which is way easier than the initial one (Who remember trying for 3h to kill a boss in the level 32 version, not speaking of killing Skolas without gallahorn). - much much faster to rank up in factions. - drop rate of legendaries increased by a lot! At the beginning of destiny if you were getting one legendary after doing 10 strikes you were lucky. So yes, Destiny is getting easier and easier. Which is great for casual players, because at the beginning to be max level you had to play it hours and hours per day. I think it's good that there is more loot, but I agree that the PvE has become too easy. Doing the nightfall now is easier than doing the heroic in year 1. The raid is now more of a quick way to get 335 items to infuse. I did the raid maybe 6 times in total since the update and I don't know what to do anymore with my 335 items, I even deleted some of them because I don't know which weapons to infuse anymore. And the prison of elder isn't a challenge. Now only PvP is challenging.

Gottta make so All the new players can get light up fast so they stay interested no more grind like in year 1. Forever 31!!!!!

Why does it matter how people level up bro? Ive done over 100+ kings fall clears. I had three 320 characters before update. After the update, people who dont raid easily outlevelled me. Im now at 335 max easily. Should i care? No. And heres why. Light level and gear dont really matter. If i complete all the raids, thats my own personal acomplishment. I dont need to be higher light than some guy who doesnt raid to feel good about my achievements. My buzz comes from forming teams and beating challenges as they release. Then it slowly fizzles out as you get more familiar with the content. I can get the ships, shaders, raid quest weapons like tom etc. Thats all i need. Now for people who dont endgame, sure they can reach 335 easily. But reaching max light is meaningless if your biggest challenge as a 335 is running a heroic strike or a nightfall. You can do that at 300 and less lol. So its just giving everybody an equal chance to level up. But if you want to use your light level to beat challenges, get your moments of triumph, experience teamwork and get your raid emblems...you need to beat the raid and such. See what im saying? We all have different goals in the game. The new loot update gives us all an equal platform to level up and go achieve those goals. To end, i cant see any reason somebody easily hitting 335 should bother me. Its just as easy for me to hit 335 raiding. Should i need to be 335 and have non raiders 320, so i can look down on them? No way, so thats why it honestly doesnt bother me buddy

Never had to have full raid gear to reach max light. An exotic could always be equipped. Plus iron banner gear. And it was much easier to get 34 in HOW than it is to get 335 now.

I think there should be more ways than one to get max gear. I don't raid because I can't be glued to my tv for more than 30 or so minutes at a time. There Is just way too much going on in my household and I'd be stepping away from the game too much. People would probably boot me. Even when I do POE, something comes up, phone, knock at the door, wife calling to help her with something. So I'm glad there are more avenues to max level (even tho I'm not maxed yet)

100% for this system.

Who cares? Seriously? It's a video game. If it's too easy for u and u are unhappy find a new game.