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작성자: FrenetiCreature 5/12/2016 11:03:15 PM
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Crucible Games Predetermined?

Now, I'm not really what you'd call a "Conspiracy Theory type guy", but I did use to work as a police officer, before my accident. In that line of work, you're trained to notice things, patterns or things out of the ordinary. Well, I've played my fair share of Crucible matches, and then some. Throughout my time playing, I've noticed that there seems to be a trend in the outcome of the matches. Some of you may have noticed this also. Have you ever noticed how, in some matches, it seems like no matter how well you aim or what weapons you use, the other guys are just able to outshoot you; But then, in other matches, you'd literally have to sit down in the middle of the map and not shoot your gun at all in order to go negative? The funny thing is, sometimes the guys that are so easy to kill are the ones that did so well on your team last match, while maybe the guys who did poorly on the other team last match, but are totally wrecking on your team this time? Also, have you ever noticed that everybody's connection bar jumps around during the matches, going from green to yellow, back to green, then to red, back to green? Yet, Bungie is always so "tight lipped" about their matchmaking and always blames any kind of connection issues on the players' set-up, even though most of us have absolutely no problems with any other online games. And the biggest tend that I've noticed is that the outcome of matches almost always follow the same exact pattern. Similar to this: [u]Alpha Team[/u] Player 1 - 25 kills, 2.0 k/d Player 2 - 15 kills, 0.9 k/d Player 3 - 13 kills, 0.8 k/d Player 4 - 8 kills, 0.5 k/d Player 5 - 5 kills, 0.6 k/d Player 6 - 2 kills, 0.2 k/d [u]Bravo Team[/u] Player 1 - 21 kills, 1.75 k/d Player 2 - 20 kills, 1.80 k/d Player 3 - 17 kills, 3.0 k/d Player 4 - 12 kills, 1.25 k/d Player 5 - 10 kills, 0.9 k/d Player 6 - 9 kills, 0.8 k/d It's almost always like that. One team will have a player at the top with a bunch of kills and a good k/d, while the rest of the teams scores are crap. The other team will have the top four players with really decent scores and the bottom two will be... meh, but not horrible. It's like this almost every game, even though it's all the same players switching back and forth between teams, being mixed up each time. Doesn't that seem weird to you? Just start really paying attentions to the scores after each game you play. I'm sure you'll start to notice the pattern too. My theory is this: There is a mechanism within the matchmaking that brings players of about the same skill level into each match. (I know, common knowledge right? SBMM, OK, I know, but...) During the match, the game can "[i]sense[/i]", how well each player is doing. Each player has a "predetermined" placing, where the game decides before the match, about what the players score should be after each match, in order to conform to the model that it deems appropriate. Like the score table I made above. So, if the game has decided that an Alpha Team player should place at about 4th place at the end of the match, but that player is playing well and is starting to score above where he should be, the game will drop that player's "connection" down into the yellow. That way that player stats experiencing lag. We all know what it's like when you start lagging. You get shot through walls, enemies eat your bullets, they teleport all around, they kill you in two shots, etc. This way, it makes it so that player's score goes back within the parameters that the game has chosen for that player. This would explain why sometimes you start out decent, but then all of a sudden, it's like no matter what you do, you can't get kills for anything; and why your connection varies so much, even though you have a wired connection with decent speeds. It would also account for why, sometimes it seems like everyone is playing so inconsistently. One game you're awesome, the next, you're playing like you're blind, even though it's against essentially the same people. It would actually explain a lot of things. As for the reason behind it, I'm not exactly sure. But, it could come down to something like, gratification. If you start out and you're doing well for the first few games, you're happy, you want to play more. The game keeps you at our near the top. Now that you're really in the mood to play, it starts dropping you down. You feel like maybe it's a fluke, but you want revenge. You play more to get back to the top. You keep getting dumped on. But, when you're just about to quit, all of a sudden there's no lag. Your shots land every time. Your enemies die like they should. You're happy again. You play more. This keeps you playing, just as Bungie wants. The more you play, the better it is for Bungie. Now, I'm just talking about regular 6v6 crucible matches here. I haven't played trials or many other modes enough to say anything about them. But maybe there is a system similar in those other modes. (Let me know if you've noticed anything.) Anyway, I could be completely wrong. Maybe I'm just too tired or thinking into it too much. But, the facts are, I've noticed this pattern in the scoring. I noticed it a while back and just thought it was weird. But, as a cop, you learn that there aren't such a thing as coincidences. Also, Bungie won't talk about their matchmaking process. And, whenever you have connection problems, they always answer, "Read the help page, clear your cache." It's the same answer every time. I know this isn't a really well thought out and written explanation of my theory, as its 5 am and I am pretty tired. But, hopefully it's enough that most of you will understand what I'm getting at. Let me know what you think and if you have any ideas or theories. Edit 1: Hey, thanks for all of the positive and mature replies guys. Of course there is always the occasional, "Get gud." Or "You're just trying to make excuses." Replies. I don't have thin skin, as a police officer it thickens up real quick. So, I just read those, shake my head and move on. I know why I'm negative on all of my characters. It's no secret that I just completely sucked and was learning to play with a bummed hand. Plus, I hadn't played a video game in almost 15 years when I started playing Destiny, back in November 2014. Plus, I always play solo/random. I never play with anyone else. Which makes having a positive k/d a lot tougher. The very few times that I have been on a Fireteam, it was like "Easy Mode". So I know. I have a negative k/d. It's no big revelation. But, if you look at my history and stats on Destinytracker.com, you'll see that my stats and k/d have steadily risen since I started. But, I'm about 4,000 kills in the negative. Even if I got a 2.0 k/d and an average of 30 kills every round. That's +15 kills every round. It would take me 266 matches to get positive. Plus, I play Control almost exclusively. Just check my stats. I'm not the best out there, but my current stats aren't pure sh!t either. Also, speaking of checking my history, you can see in my matches history even more evidence of what I'm talking about here. I'll have streaks where I play awesome for a handful of games and then you'll see where it turns to crap for a handful of games. It goes back and forth, even though it's against the same group of guys sometimes. You could blame it on just playing well, then not playing so well. But, I think that's too easy an explanation. One game all my shots from my "God Roll" Hawksaw just tear through everyone, like a hot knife through butter. But, then the next game every other shot misses or it takes 8 shots to kill somebody? 17 (body shot) x3 (rounds per pulse rifle shot) = 51. That's 51 damage per body shot from Hawksaw. 51 x 8 = 408. That's enough damage to kill two guardians. I count my shots when it starts to seem strange. Plus, I'm a little OCD and have a tendency to count anyway. Anyway, when it takes 8 Hawksaw shots to kill someone, something is wrong, very wrong. You could call it lag, and yes I would agree. But, why would it change from one match to the next, or during the same match sometimes. Even with the same group of people? One game I'm killing everyone in 3-4 shots, the next it takes 6-8 shots? Hmmmm, seems odd to me. Also, the "Host" idea, I find this to be very true. I can tell when I'm the host, because I'll be the one at the top of the leader board, with close to 30 kills and a 2.0+ k/d. But, then the next game I can barely get 6 kills with a 0.3 k/d. That's just ridiculous. It's so inconsistent. I think Bungie knows all about it. I think they use this to their advantage and it ties into the whole theory. And that's why they're so "tight lipped" and "politely unhelpful" when it comes to us complaining about lag and matchmaking.
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  • TL;DR?

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    • [quote]Player 3 - 17 kills, 3.0 k/d[/quote] That's impossible. Kappa.

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      • Am i bad at math or can you really get a 3.0 kd with 17 kills....im having a brain fart

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        • Stopped reading after I saw "police officer"!

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          • How do you get a 3.0 exactly kd with 17 kills? It's a prime number

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            • I can't say I'd go so far as you in your assumptions, but I experience this as well. Lately, I limit my matches to 1 or 2 at a time. I've been playing pretty well since the last IB, winning a rumble game (unheard of for me), leading the team in Control or Clash. But any time I sit down for a lengthy Crucible session, I get this a lot. One game playing well, hit detection on point, the next few, getting wrecked left and right. Even in games where everyone is green bar. I've honestly taken the time to start reporting every red bar in the lobby for cheating and bad connection. I don't know what the solution is, but it is infuriating. In fact, Destiny is the only game that ever disconnects me. Destiny is also the only game where getting an error code actually resets my router.

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              • TLDR

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              • 10 bucks youre not even a police officer

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                • What was your accident, dude?

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                • 작성자: DrPhilaBole 5/13/2016 4:50:36 AM
                  Jesus Christ !!!! if you wrote all that over a video game!!! WTF were your arrest reports like ? "I noticed the perp had not knotted his shoes good enough and had on mismatched socks, this led me to believe he was the head of a Mexican Drug cartel ...."

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                  • I was looking for a "but that's just a theory a gaaaame theory"

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                    • Once upon a Crucible Radio podcast I heard Jon Weisnewski (senior developer over weapon balance) admit to basically -blam!-ing with fellow Bungie employees in weapons play tests stating that he had changed a weapon stat for something and hearing their input about the notable difference it made when in fact he hadn't changed anything. ALSO, another time I read about a study that was done (can't remember which Bungie employee) basically talking about gamer addiction and how to use it in game development. So...it's within their ethical guidelines to do something like this. However at the same time I think you're probably giving them too much credit. I think the real thing is they are just now starting to realize how their networking setup affects players/the game and that's why they announced the tinkering with matchmaking. We all think of Bungie as this great household name because of Halo...but in reality most of the long time developers with with 343 Industries. Hell, Bungie didn't even keep their own building when they split! They're still a fairly new and inexperienced team, even if the name and a few senior developers have been around for a while. To not make this a total bitch session against Bungie...the game has some aspects that are outstanding and I think they've made some great improvements over time. They've had to play a crazy amount of catch up with Destiny (at launch their game engine was only working at 60% effectiveness) and hopefully they're ahead of the curve with Destiny 2 now. We'll have to wait and see.

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                    • Bush did 9/11

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                      • So I stopped halfway through and I think your wrong about connection dropping. But what does happen is where you spawn changes. Like randomly you'll spawn with opposing team for no reason. Even if your team isn't pushing. I think they manipulate spawns. I mean they said they want you at a 1.0 kd and 50% win rate how else can they achieve that?

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                      • -blam!- the police

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                      • 작성자: Dog_Of_War_1138 5/13/2016 5:55:03 AM
                        I'm more inclined to write this off as either simple fatigue, or some type of biorhythm phenomenon. I can usually play 3 to 5 games in a row and do quite well (by my standards), but then I slow down, my reactions are a step behind everyone else, I have to work my butt off for every kill, it's a struggle to just break even. But if I either take a break and run some patrol or strikes, or else just go get a cup of coffee and stretch my legs, I can sit back down and "the mad skillz are back" for another 3 to 5 games. This also happens if I just keep playing through the slump, but it's more painful and frustrating to do it that way. What I've seen isn't the type of scoreboard you give as an example. I see pretty close matches as a rule, with maybe one or two standouts on each side, and one or two that dragged the losing team down. I just try not to be one of those guys. And, from a corrections officer, thank you for your service, brother. LEOs like us get NO respect these days.

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                      • Muted for length. Stop with the lengthy repetitive drivel.

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                      • are Cops seriously so eager to "notice patterns" that don't exist as in your line of thinking? Damn, no wonder minorities get hit so hard.

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                        • [quote]. It would actually explain a lot of things. As for the reason behind it, I'm not exactly sure. But, it could come down to something like, gratification. If you start out and you're doing well for the first few games, you're happy, you want to play more. The game keeps you at our near the top. Now that you're really in the mood to play, it starts dropping you down. You feel like maybe it's a fluke, but you want revenge. You play more to get back to the top. You keep getting dumped on. But, when you're just about to quit, all of a sudden there's no lag. Your shots land every time. Your enemies die like they should. You're happy again. You play more. This keeps you playing, just as Bungie wants. The more you play, the better it is for Bungie. .[/quote] Hi, sharing my experience here, but I can agree with your statement above to a certain degree. IMO physical condition while playing can decides how good I do in a match. While back from work and immediately fire up destiny I'm sure to perform pretty poorly. I have played fresh in the morning, and I can go +ve KD until the fatigue kicks in about an hour later my KD drops. And I do believe that there is a certain mechanism that is in place to maintain average 50-50 win-loss ratio in Destiny. Remember SRL? How difficult it is to score 1st place win and complete your log book? Search YT and there are certainly a few video that will show you how to do it legitimately. I believe it is a very similar mechanism adopted from some car racing series, where winners will have weight ballast added to their car to give other drivers a chance to catch up / winning. Just my thoughts.

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                        • Obvious, predetermined games is obvious.

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                          • I feel after reading this that you and I are very similar players.

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                          • Green bar n kicking ass ref says yellow card slows your net down. still doing well? Ref gives you a red. Now getting ass kicked ref gives you green bar again but bends your barrel so you can dodge but can't get hits to register. It's not sbmm that's the problem. it's -blam!-ing damage ref. Just my penny's worth.

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                          • I wanted to read your post, but realized it was the length of the list of guys the Kardashians slept with. No thanks.

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                            • Ok. I'm gonna agree with you here. If you look at my history you can see about the same exact affect

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                            • Not only is it pointless getting good but the games are rigged.

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                            • By "accident" we suppose you mean you got beat down by your partner for taking too long with the incident report when the game is on.

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