what's dumb is when people discredit other players for using a sniper, or mida, or doctrine. I could understand last word (pre nerf) but all of those weapons take skill to use and are entirely balanced.

It's about time someone on YouTube found the definition of diversity. All I have to say is that, no, I am not a famous YouTuber playing sweaty matches online, I play for fun. I don't understand how people can stand doing the same thing over and over. I also don't understand how people have the patients to camp. But what I do know, is the game as a whole. Go look at my profile and tell me I haven't don't something I this game other than go on a 25 kill streak. I play this game for what it is. I have played countless hours and he one thing that I can't stand is Crucible. This is because everyone is an asshole doing whatever it takes to be better. I understand that's the point, but I'm talking about the poeple who do nothing but worry about virtual stats for something that won't matter 3 years from now. People are willing to use the cheapest parts of the game to make sure they look good on Bungie.net. That might be your thing, but you are ruining the PvP community one game at a time. If you are the kid who abused thorn, you're one of these assholes. If you abused Mida, you're one of those assholes. If you abused Last Word, you're one of those assholes. If you are currently using a sniper for anything other than long range, you're one of those assholes. Again, look at my profile (not bragging about stats). I'm not that scrub who abused anything. I play with diversity because this game is meant for diversity. You can't tell me I haven't used a gun or subclass . I've literally used every combo possible. I have learned to play every playstyle. So let me tell you this, I think I'm able to tell you what is what in this game. Not trying to be a power listing dick, I'm just saying I'm one of the few who has actually played from every perspective in this game. I can tell you this. Shotguns used to be easy, now they have their place. They don't now down any primary anymore. Fusion Rifles used to be easy, now they aren't mowing down primaries at scout rifle distance. Auto Rifles used to dominate the crucible. Until recently, they haven't been up there. With the exception of two Autos, they are in the right place. Pulse Rifles were lacking when the game came out, now they have found their spot after a round of having the meta spotlight. Hand Canons used to have their time, now, they can't hit anything. The only hand cannon I have found that can consistently hit what it's aiming at is the Zouhlis Bane. It might have aweful reload speed, but it will hit wherever you shoot at. Snipers have always been in the spotlight. When the game came out, Bungie said quick scoping was a myth and people bought into it. The shots have always gone right down the middle regardless of being shot. You might see your reticle bounce, but your gun does not move. It took almost 4 months for people to find that out. Now, everyone realized how easy it was to snipe so that's what everyone does. All specials take their time to find out how they work, but snipers are by far, the easiest, and most reliable of the four. All you have to learn is where your screen centers and then line that up and quick scope. That's literally what everyone does, yet no one realizes they are the only weapon class that reliably shuts down any primary. Sometimes, Sidearms can outgun primaries, but only at close range and luck. I am proud that Mtashed has finally came out and said it. But don't get me wrong, Snipers are still up in the spotlight. If you don't think Snipers are to easy, go look at the stats. In Trials, the weapon type with the most kills is by far Snipers. Outnumbering all primaries, abilities, and Supers. If Snipers aren't being to reliable, why are they outrunning primaries in every gun fight? There has to be something wrong. People need to realize that when a game like Destiny isn't Diverse, there is something wrong. It doesn't mean that everyone using Snipers is a scrub, it just means that you are currently using the easiest weapon to use. Why not try and fix this? People on the forums are declaring Sniping to be harder than shotguns, this is false. Go watch the above video. The so called King of Destiny (No Offense) has shown his inability to close the gap because he no longer has the reliable weapon that can just do shotguns work at longer ranges, and even at shotgun range. Snipers need to have their place, right now, they are a versatile one shot weapon usable at close, medium, and long ranges. It's almost comparable to Battle Rifles in Halo if they could one shot. Removing the abilty to quick scope or snipe at medium ranges needs to be done. It's the only Special that effectively takes out primaries in their own ranges. Don't like it, look at the numbers. I'm not coming here with Bias. I'm just trying to fix a game what needs to be fixed.

Its easy once you get use to the distance needed to slay people. As a sniper, I'd say its the easiest weapon besides the rocket launcher lol to do well with. Point shoot and they die, just gotta judge distance and be able to aim in effectively when needed, pretty helmet weapon, theres a reason all the pros abuse it.

Every sniper is skilled. for every skilled shotgunner, there are 1000 no skilled, invisible, corner camping, blink jumping noobs

Every map in Destiny is designed for close range combat, this combined with every character class having abilities to help close space easily makes shotgunning easy to do. Mtashed you may not like it being said but Destiny caters to a shotgun playstyle, making it the easier thing to do in comparison to other special weapons.

Everyone uses a shotgun, totally isn't OP at all... Logic.

Everyone who thinks shotguns are hard to use go into a match of rumble 4/6 people using shotguns One using a bullet hose auto or pulse rifle The last one ( me ) using last word . [spoiler]shoutout to the salt in the replies though keep em coming[/spoiler]

As a shotgunner, I have to say it's kind of the asshole loadout (I mean c'mon, people are gonna get pissy over getting one shotted no matter what) but at least we don't end the match covered in a thick layer of moss.

Certain shotguns take skill. Party Crasher, felwinters, matador, judgement, conspiracy theory, crap like that takes no skill.