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작성자: Slain
5/2/2016 11:42:22 PM
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A breakdown of the mistakes Bungie repeated, which they promised they would not repeat
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Destiny-House-Wolves-DLC-Fix-Dark-Below-Biggest-Mistakes-69657.html
Before House of Wolves came out, Luke Smith made a statement about how the biggest mistakes made in The Dark Below would not be repeated. At the time, this was true. House of Wolves rectified some of the biggest things like exotic resets, gear invalidation, and barriers to making gear usable.
I was thinking back on this article today and it occurred to me that just about every mistake they mentioned in that article was repeated in The Taken King.
[quote]Crota's End drop rates are much improved vs. Vault of Glass[/quote] Just wanted to point this one out before I dig into the good stuff. they improved the drop rates for CE after seeing how bad they were in VoG. Yet they went back to garbage drop rates in King's Fall.
[quote]Players who completed Vault of Glass couldn't appreciate their loot because it was rendered obsolete by gear offered by vendors[/quote] Huh, I can't think of one other time they did this. Can you?
[quote]Requiring players to reset talents on their Exotic weapons when upgrading also didn't work out too well[/quote] And how is making players repurchase them with marks (then re-level them) any different?
[quote]Many players found themselves stuck at level 29 because of the poor loot system[/quote] Poor loot system? Say it ain't so. Not like I was ever stuck just shy of max level based on shit luck in TTK or anything.
[quote]Our philosophy about rewards/loot continue to evolve as we see how players play and react[/quote] I feel ya Luke. Like if players are enjoying their loot too much, you gotta press the reset button and hand them lame ass reskins in the next DLC.
[quote]lessen the grind and get players to the fun parts of their arsenal faster[/quote] There's no way in hell he actually said that. Lessen the grind? For real? You mean to tell me that you lessened the grind by making the level of your raid loot random, and by letting you level up fractions of a light point at a time?
[quote]Shards are a are a barrier between you and equipping a sweet new piece of gear. We want fewer barriers to equipping upgrades[/quote] You know what else is a barrier between you and equipping a piece of gear? An infusion system that requires you to pick out things to dismantle in a certain order in order to make one piece usable.
[quote]we don't want to invalidate player effort (again)[/quote] No, of course not. Never.
I know some of these things were addressed in the April update, and for that I'm grateful. Props to the team for making some of these much needed, much asked for improvements to the game. They really make the game playable. I appreciate the effort to make this game better.
But my point in this post is -- why does Bungie continue to make the same mistakes? Why do they wait so long to do something about them? The infusion system was called out for its bullshit not too long after the launch of TTK. There was talk of bad drop rates after the first week. What the actual -blam!-, man.
This has been another Kabr complaining post. Thanks for reading.
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5 답변Sometimes it almost feels like Bungie has gotten worse instead of better. TTK was fun for a very short while, but it ruined the overall game for me. I don't care for the infusion system, micro-transactions are getting a little sketchy, no new content is added to the game ever it seems like, a lot of great content was taken away, I feel like I'm not making any progress or becoming legend anymore since TTK, Nightfalls aren't as interesting, exotics are too easy to get, & too abundant, therefore not really "exotic" anymore, and I AM SICK OF FIGHTING THE TAKEN CONSTANTLY EVERYWHERE I GO! The game was more fun for me before TTK!
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12 답변"Why do they continue to make the same mistakes?" A: [spoiler]because they're not mistakes.[/spoiler] The first time it's a mistake. After that it's a choice.
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15 답변How does nobody see this? It's cyclical with Bungie. This is their cycle: 1) Phase One (increase the grind) - Release content. - Deprecate all 'old' gear - Make it easy to reach end game content - Make it hard as hell to max light - Make it hard as hell to get 'that one gun' that everyone wants 2) Phase Two (drought) - No new content - just events / small updates - let people get real thirsty in the drought 3) Phase Three (happy happy joy joy, cosmetics) - Release small new content (any will do, thanks to phase 2) - Up light but make it easy to reach max light - make it about cosmetic / perfect roll - Let people feel good about what Bungie did, so people are mostly happy Rinse and repeat. The same shit happened in Year 1. VoG, #forever29 no helmet for you. Then they released Crota's End, upped light, invalidate gear, re-grind. Drought. Then we wait for HoW. That gave us a fairly small update (PoE instead of a raid, for example). But wait, we have "etheric light". Woo whoo!!! I can use whatever gear I want and bring it to max. I can max out real fast! I can make my guy look however I want. I can get the perfect rolls! Happy Happy Joy Joy! Drought. Year 2. Remember how we were so cool with HoW and Etheric light and letting you have all your levels and feel good about your gear? NAAAAH Bitch! NAAH! Year 2 now, see Phase One.
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5 답변I'll be honest... As a PvP player.... If they would just bring back rerolling and elemental primaries, I wouldn't even care. (they would however need to massively nerf snipers. The state of the Crucible is simply sad currenty) As someone who enjoyed Y1... Y2 was a downgrade. Yes, 3ofC made exotic farming easier, but due to the nerf galore, and the completely uncompelling King's Fall Loot table (now ignoring the subpar weapons, why the eff is cocoon a perk that takes an actually useful node away? Reloading is never a problem in this game....), I didn't bother a lot with that part of the end game.
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5 답변"Year one weapons are coming back!"* *only certain year one crucible and vanguard weapons. You cannot infuse your existing ones and the only way to get them is to grind out crucible and vanguard packages and pray you get both the weapon you want instead of another goddamn cape and hope you get a decent roll in the TTK perk pool which is 90% garbage.
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7 답변I still think the wholesale obsolescence of year one gear and weapons was a huge mistake, and I'm not confident they won't do that to us again, which undermines my motivation to seek out year two loot. If they hadn't chosen to do that, we'd have three relevant raids and a huge sandbox of fun toys to play with. Not to mention, they could have focused efforts in other areas with this most recent update. Destiny is in a fairly good place right now, but it's still hard not to feel TTK took it backwards in many ways and that they're probably going to do that again. The game still feels like it's playing me more than I'm playing it, and I really don't like that.
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4 답변It's a sign of the unintelligent to repeat mistakes, forget earlier lies, make the same mistake, then change the lies to fit the error. And the biggest sign of a lack of intelligence: expecting everyone else to think the way they do.
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1 답변The real question is whether they've learned, or if they're paying attention when they make changes. Cyclical problems can be caused by cyclical work sequences, where decisions are made not based on past experience, but in current terms of the problem at hand. If the next round is left up to the same decision makers, and they don't give due consideration to the past, then I fully expect to have all of the same old problems crop up again.
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9 답변작성자: kroppin 5/3/2016 11:39:49 PMI think I remember Bungie saying something about not having players be left behind just because they don't have a newer piece of DLC... Fast forward to TTK. You can't do daily things (heroic stories, strikes, nightfalls, what even fuels you to keep playing) anymore and you're stuck with weak gear compared to TTK gear. Fast forward to April-Update. You [b][i]have[/i][/b] to have the TTK expansion to even experience it. Now the game isn't even worth playing if you don't have TTK.
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Bungie keeps making the same mistakes because the players let them. For every one of things you mentioned, relatively few players have held them accountable and demanded better. And that's the problem, their players won't hold Bungie to a higher standard. Year 3 could start with another reset, making any chroma or taken gear bought obsolete, and the players will still play. Bungie doesn't have to release any new content at all, all they gotta do is raise the level cap and give you more to grind for. Everything undone from HoW was allowed to happen. The problem isn't Bungie, it's the players. Complain all you want, you'll play all the same; and they know it. Your continued playing is supporting approval of their standard. If you're serious about making a difference, stop playing. Tell Bungie through actions, not words, what you think. But I'm gonna guess you're not that serious.
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2 답변The beta is never really over. Don't expect me to buy Destiny 2 Bungie. Not happening.
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2 답변yea its stuff like this that have convinced me not to purchase the upcoming fall update until I see how it goes for a week. they got me twice now but I'm determined to make sure they don't get me a 3rd.
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2 답변The beta stage will be over in year 7 obviously, then the game is actually released and will have a three year plan
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1 답변Its too late now. 2 years in and they still cant get it right. i just accept the fact that they failed and will continue to do so.
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They also said "We want to shorten the content gap between content, there was 5 months between TDB and the HoW" but we had a 7 month content gap between TTK and the April update (which isn't that much just a re-skinning)
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I completely agree with this but I see people are more obbsesed with lvling sistem and balancing gear/weapons then with actual content of the game. I dont care wich lvling sistem is as long the game has enough content to play. There should be adventure for every guardian a universe full of planets, patrol zones, bosses, smart enemies, activities, quests, sidequests,battles and ofc story!!!Not just main story but side stories too and not some shitty grind to high end lvl/light over and over again in the same missions/stikes. Its just wrong! I loved that game until i realized what is actualy going on... Have a good day😉
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3 답변For a company who has developed a brand new game category and associated tech encouraged a Community to grow are progressively learning Community tastes and adjusting a product on a 10 year journey to cater for same ...... well I reckon they are doing OK .... been here for 5 years and still enjoying the place and the new IP ;)
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4 답변They don't have a road map, they keep talking about it but I've not seen one making me judge them by there actions, which looks like they have no idea where they are going with this game.
