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작성자: Malphisto 12/7/2015 12:27:21 PM
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WE NEVER FORGET... (Silence Speaks Volumes)

[i]"OH EM GEEZ! SPARROW RACING!!! YOU ARE SO AWESOMEZ BUNGIE!"[/i] Is what we [b]WOULD[/b] be saying. [u]HOWEVER! [/u] The fact remains that you still screwed everyone over. You still sold a $60 [b]INCOMPLETE[/b] game a year ago that got butchered and had missing components taken and repackaged to be sold separately as $20 DLC a pop. You did that twice. [b]TWICE.[/b] So then it became a $100 incomplete experience because even with both "[i]expansions[/i]" as they were advertised, the game was still hollow and felt more like a shell without absolutely any cohesion what-so-ever. It was bare bones. Then you release TTK which you decided to sell for $40 and everyone is going on about how its such an improvement and that it makes the game complete. Really revving up that hype train for it. But guess what? [b]IT WAS STILL MORE OF THE SAME CUT CONTENT FROM THE BASE GAME! [/b] How... HOW does anyone get away with this crap? You took a $60 game and managed to squeeze another $80 out of it. And don't sit there and tell me that you've been developing new content for it because we already know you announced you had started working on Destiny 2 MONTHS ago. In fact if I recall correctly, it was already entering development around the time the Dark Below was released. I've NEVER seen a game drag out old content so much. Same goes for TTK, that content was in development before the game ever launched, Luke Smith said that himself in an interview. And now Sparrow Races? First off, let's get this record set straight, it BEGAN with folks being suspicious and accusing you of CUTTING Sparrow Racing from the base game just like you did Player Trading and Gambling. It became all the more obvious to people when you decided to give everyone this thing: https://www.bungie.net/en/Armory/Detail?type=item&item=3703598457&itemname=EV-30%20Tumbler In fact, GAMBLING was believed to have been a mechanic associated with Sparrow Races. This was before the game even launched, mind you. Its clear that this is just once again another example of cut content being recycled just like you're doing with the Year 1 Exotics. Just something "new" (not really) to toss out there for all the diehard "Dude Bros" to freak out and obsess over. This Hamster Wheel comes with all the bells and whistles. Second? You screwed it up. Yeah, you really did. Because not only are you likely going to put a great deal of stuff for it in your in-game Cash Shop nonsense (Most likely all the things folks are actually going to want for it), but to my knowledge these races are going to be for TTK owners ONLY. Its ridiculous. You're all about exclusion, its nothing but aggressive attempts to try and force people to spend their money. But here's the thing, people ALREADY spent their money. You have received MORE than enough for your product and instead of supporting the community and giving back the players, you just keep coming up with more and new ways on how to get as much as possible from the masses. Shame on you. This is NOT what Gaming should be about. I said it before and I'll say it again. TTK doesn't get a free pass and neither do you. TTK doesn't get a "passing score" for being somewhat better than the shite that you sold throughout Year 1. [i]ANYTHING[/i] would be better than that. No, TTK gets measured up against other games like any others. Matched up with Fallout 4, DOES The Taken King compare? Does the value of TTK for $60 equal the value of content that you get for the same price as this? Trick question, the answer is no, it doesn't. Destiny being an Online Game doesn't mean jack crap, at all. Destiny having PvP has absolutely no bearing on this comparison, either. We're talking straight up value. The amount of content in Destiny does NOT reflect its $140 price tag. Dark Below and House of Wolves [b]SHOULD[/b] have been free for Vanilla Destiny. Sparrow Racing [b]SHOULD[/b] have been included for everyone, TTK or not. The Taken King [b]SHOULD[/b] have been sold at $30 and the Eververse Trading Company [b]NEVER[/b] should have been implemented. Ever. Gamers aren't stupid, most of us are very smart and have VERY good memories much to the dismay of companies like Activision. [b]We. Never. Forget.[/b] Its time you start doing something to take responsibility for all this crap.
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  • ^ULTRA BUMP

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  • Another bump

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  • Bump bump bump bump bump these all count as 5

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  • So, question, from this post I gather that you take the Kotaku article as fact right? I'm not sure if you were on the forums back when the 404architect stuff started, but when it happened did you also believe what that stated as well as the supposed play tester's account of how the story progressed? Just curious.

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    • Agreed. Don't forget, they act like they have all these games for a nice bundle but the -blam!-ing vanilla destiny, dark below, and house of wolves are all IRRELEVANT. You can't really gain anything useful out of them.

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    • You forgot to mention that sparrow racing is only a temporary thing that lasts until December 29th. Just another way of trying to get people to keep their attention focused on the game.

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      • 작성자: CKWK8241021 12/9/2015 4:45:08 AM
        I got TTK ghosts a week into the game by glitching through a wall in the cosmodrome... Micro transactions are just getting closer and closer to pay to win. They're just slowly seeing how far they can push. Soon enough they will have random exotics because people are idiots and keep throwing money at them.

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        • 작성자: N7riseSSJ 12/8/2015 3:39:08 PM
          I hope it's well known that Bungie is just going to keep doing this over and over. If they originally had mercury and whatever that other planet was on the map a year before release, the builds for those planets are most likely done. They've probably been done for a long time. Or at least the basics of it, now all they need to do is populate it for destiny 2 and tweak a bunch of things. Like BDobbins said, sparrow racing was probably already in the original game, they're just feeding it back to us like the year one exotics. They don't give a -blam!- about the player guys, when will you see that? They let you buy all these DLC the first year for a -blam!-ing beta test. How anyone is okay with that is completely beyond me. I'm not going to trust any game developer that does that to their players and doesn't offer any sort of apology or acknowledgement that they -blam!-ed up. This is why we're critical of sparrow racing. It's not used as an extra little "oh yes we will give you content out of the kindness of our hearts, we have listened to you" nope. It's a "we had this planned, we took it out, and now is when we will give it back to you because there will be no DLC, and we need to do what we can to promote player retention until our next game or DLC comes out." Maybe some of the lower ranked Bungles care about the players, but the people calling the shots don't. They get paid the most. They. Don't. Care. Yep sure "ooohh eeemmgeeee cem ahn guyz itz ah biznass day half tah do thes" no -blam!-ing shit, but do you know what morality is? This is not moral. They don't respect our time, they don't respect our money. The best businesses do, the most awarded businesses do. News flash; most of us that speak out don't hate the game, we hate Bungie. Or at least we are very frustrated and angry that they'd string us a long like they have done, and like they'll continue to do so. Or I could be wrong about all of this and I will pull the wool over my eyes and pretend like I'm in my happy place. Also, for those of you getting on Mal and others for "[not having the game therefore you can't say anything about it!]" crap, 1) it's a fallacy. 2) it's not hard nor is it required to have TTK to analyze how these things are wrong. He's not talking about DPS of the warlock lightning class, he's not talking about loot drop rates after using 3 of coins. He's talking about things anyone could analyze with common sense. Get off your horses, they're tired and hungry. Rant over. Edited for rant typos.

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          • 작성자: whippedaardvark 12/9/2015 7:14:23 PM
            [spoiler]firstly, I want to apologize for my disjointed and sporadic comment. I don't want it to seem like I'm trying to be an ass (I don't try it just happens sometimes unfortunately :/ Also, I'd like to point out that while I don't necessarily agree, you're always speaking your mind and I respect that. Carry on[/spoiler] Well that's just an opinion. Not saying it isn't shared by a large number of people, because it obviously is. I'm simply saying that another opinion (mine as well as many others) is that I got my money's worth every step of the way. I didn't buy into the hype that was presented. Hell I didn't even play the beta. But I have enjoyed (nearly) all the pieces of this game. I do agree that some, if not lots, of things were cut before the final release. AND I agree that was a poor choice on their part. But to say EVERY piece was scrapped just to be released later for profit is not only speculation, but possibly untrue (my own speculation). I'd imagine (speculation again) that some things were cut because they weren't fully ready, or possibly because it introduced problems elsewhere in the game. It's not the first time introducing something new to a game messes with another aspect of it. I'm not saying it's a perfect game or even close, but nothing ever will be to everyone. Microtransactions affect me 0% because I won't buy something I don't want. Simple as that. Lastly, value is different for others. Some people base the value of money on time and enjoyment. Others will base it on the actual amount of content they received for the money. Nobody is wrong though. P.S. I do think racing being locked behind TTK is only half right. TTK owners should've gotten a full racing mode and non owners could've gotten the "trial" we have now. P.P.S. Holy shit that came out so much longer than I meant

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            • 작성자: PhNx Hellfire 12/9/2015 5:08:22 AM
              Malphisto. Rather then sound like that? Rather then being upset and angry about something like this? Find something more productive to do because this, "We remember. We always remember." sounds more like you might have thoughts about serial stalker more then anything else. Please note the context of your post. Your choice of words. Your constant behavioral methodology. One is LITERALLY given two choices with you: Mute you... or post to you. So tell you what.. let's make it a tiny bit constructive... what should be implemented next?

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              • Bump, a solid list of things Bungie needs to hear. I've made a couple posts along the same lines before Taken King came out, think I'm hopping off the Destiny train after this go-round.

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              • Bungie Weekly Update 12/04/2014: "In the months to come, your quest to become more powerful will have more avenues that lead to satisfaction. The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete. Since the reveal, we’ve read a lot of ideas for how this could have been done better. Your feedback is clear: The time you have invested in your stuff should be respected." The last thing we wanted was for you to look at your favorite gun or helmet and decide that it had become obsolete.

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                • Meanwhile some fanboys are like "hey don't talk bad about Bungie, they'll treat us better [i]eventually[/i]." Lol. Bump. F**k Bungievision.

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                  • you had me click like with the first few words

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                    • I, put comma's, in, weird places, so that, you, will read, this, like William, Shatner, because, William, Shatner, also bumps, this post

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                      • 작성자: Gunship 12/9/2015 6:37:17 AM
                        All the sparrow racing is there for is to drive even more bullshit microtransactions. THE ONLY WAY TO GET A COOL SPARROW IS TO GAMBLE REAL FRAKKIN MONEY FOR IT. let that sink in for a minute...

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                        • Thanks Mal for another well thought out and articulate post! [b][i]BOYCOTT BUNGIE AND ACTIVISION[/i][/b]

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                          • There's not a lot of misinformation or speculation in here. It's a good post. What I will contend is that I don't believe value is as easy as to assess as content/dollar or time spent/dollar. People rationalize their attachments differently and with more variability than the tangible, obvious mathematic depiction. Humans are much more complex than that. Some would rather frequent a dive bar with 5 of their friends than ride solo at the finest restaurant in town; memories get made, bonds get made, and when one reflects on their experiences it brings a smile to their face. This is something destiny has gotten right. It's not a justification for their lack of content as I'm sure everyone would agree, but you can't put a price on shared experiences. They are literally priceless. Now to exclusively money... The game has overcharged the shit out of its player base. The above paragraph does not negate this truth, it only questions the ratio in which we evaluate our experiences. I actually had this epiphany recently that the reason bungie keeps saying "we're listening" while remaining silent and inactive is that they [i]are[/i] working on the wish list, but they don't receive optimal monetary growth by implementing everything in one update. They give us a little bit, then take things away. Then they give a little more. The cycle repeats. It's a -blam!-ed up business model that lets us down then picks up, but it's never enough for the majority to quit. And when destiny two releases will they still be saying they're listening? Three years in? Probably, and [i]that[/i] is the problem. Crumbs to keep the birds at your feet. Give them a full meal and they'll leave sooner. Anyway, good post. I find we do agree on a lot and it's always worth reading your opinions despite our sometimes-differences.

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                            • Oh look Mo-Lesto with another year one content post ..... yawn

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                              • You certainly never forget because you have nothing better to do with your life

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                                • Its pointless. This game is so downhill. There's no way they're ever going to take responsibility for all the shit they did. Its just pointless. I'll be on Halo: Reach til the sequel comes out. If it STILL sucks, I'm not buying any more expansions. Im done.

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                                  • Bump. I can't believe you're still here on the forums, Mal. I think you're fighting the good fight, but it's such an uphill battle, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'm so glad I stopped main-lining Destiny when TTK dropped. It was like kicking any bad habit; regrets, excuses, whining, logging in real quick to pick up a Y2 Hawkmoon juuust in case I ever came back... But I never did, and have no regrets. It was when I broke my addiction and started playing other AAA games, specifically GOTY candidates MGSV, Witcher 3, and Fallout 4, that I realized just how ridiculously little content Destiny offered in comparison. Here were games with deep mechanics, fleshed-out plots and characters, and lovely cutscenes that were so missing from the base Destiny experience (from what I've heard of TTK, other than the cool opening cinematic, cut scenes were disappointing). Players in general (myself included) need to be extremely cautious about hype-train games. I think our wallets have been burned enough that we should have learned our lesson.

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                                    • Ann's you're a whiny bitch

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                                    • Silence is the loudest scream. And in the case of Destiny players, the fans remain silent. They avoid the forums entirely unless they're recruiting. Everyone I've met through recruitment avoids these forums because they're full of negativity. So most people I've met are big fans and don't come around here to express that because of jerks like you. And yeah, I expect hate for this, just know that it doesn't matter what you say because what I've said is true and no amount of salt will change that. So. Bring it on.

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                                      • 작성자: Killlerschaf 12/8/2015 4:47:41 PM
                                        I will get an Xbox with Halo 5. The 10€ Sparrow Log Book bullshit was the last straw on this Camel's back. Great post!

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                                      • [b]Bungie confirms- No new big DLC in the works for Taken King[/b]

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