content wise TTK is way better than vanilla (in quality, not quantity), but the way you had to level from scratch makes vanilla almost look better.(except for raid drops, those suck right now)

No. TTK is way better than vanilla Destiny was. - More content - Better story-progression/Quest-system - Not being stuck with just raid gear - Light-level is a better system, more nuanced character-progression (like FF XIV's Item Level-system) - Being able to buy materials.etc. - Kiosks and blueprints - infuse - the raid actually requires teamwork and can't be cheesed (no knight isn't cheesing) Probably some more stuff I forgot that makes Destiny TTK better. The only things I hate are the time-gated gear and the fact that the Queen died.

TTK is way better, only downside is shit raid drops.

Yes, but each have their ups and downs

Yes, just because of nostalgia. I miss vanilla. Everything was fun. We all expected the Cryptarch to give us horrible loot. We all grinded. Clans we made as well as enemies from being T-bagged when 3-shotted by SUROS or Vex. Those were the days.

Yeah as I genuinely loved logging every day to grind bounties etc to level my weapons. TTK is really good but vanilla anything is everything.

I have played destiny2-10 hours almost everyday since lauch. Vanilla was better and I'm going to explain why: - Vanilla destiny gave you a chance to get to lvl 29 Any vendor gear if you wore an exotic armor piece. That gave players the chance to be different before they were able to hit lvl 30. Of course this is possible if you infuse your gear, but you have to remember that only ways to get that high lvl gear is HM raid (expect primaries from the lighthouse). And if you are like me and get only 310 HM loot, you won't be able to infuse that gear. - Raid is a joke nowdays. Oryx fight by itself might take over 2 hours for me. That's because there is only one skilled friend of mine left, who still plays Destiny. When I get forum players the shait just gets real. It's super hard to find a good raid group for oryx from the forums, regardless of your posts requirements. There is always 4-5 good players who do their job and then there is this one or two guys who are: a) not killing their ogres b) not killing their knights c) dying to their own stupid mistakes constantly. I don't get it why people make this raid so hard. It's easier than VoG was, but people still choke more on KFHM. - Auto rifles. Auto rifles. Auto rifles. They are still unusable. If there are two same players with same skill lvl agains each other in PvP, and player 1 has an auto rifle and player two has a pulse rifle, guess who wins? Obvious answer ia player 2. They can fix this with one simple patch that makea medium rate of fire auto rifles kill guardians with 7-8 headshots. And 9 to body shots. - Strikes were more fun. I can't explain why, they just were. This my personal opinion. Maybe it's because you had a chance to get better gear when you were lvl 20-24. - There was a point to do bounties every day, since it was the only way to lvl up your gear. - Community: People actually wanted to help each other. It's pretty rare nowdays. I think those are main things that made vanilla destiny better than it is now.

I would say yes solely because of our ignorance during beta and release date. Everyone says no because they have experienced destiny for a full year. But they seem to forgot how hype they were when the game first dropped and when vog opened up to play. I Enjoyed the game much more then even tho ttk has a bit more content and some things have been balanced out (not including raid drops or whatever someone might feel the need to complain about) so yea year 1 was better only because it was a new exciting game to explore and lear So yea IMO vanilla was better since I didn't know every nook and cranny of the game at the time. But it's hard to compare the two since ttk is almost feels like a patch for all the people whining. It seems half the things in ttk are bungies answer to the ridiculous petition posts in these forums.

Kind of. The grind is worse and more frustrating now. But the game is more refined. But the game has become more routine and lost a lot of it's wonder and mystery. The world was quite big even if there wasn't a lot of tangible content, but exploring it and finding exploits or overcoming obstacles in order to get crazy powerful loot was exciting. There was wonder of what was going to come next? How cool would the expansions be? Waiting for the Vault of Glass to open up and cracking it for the first time was like the coolest thing ever. [b]Basically the ambiguity around Destiny was amazing and there wasn't really anything like it.[/b] Every expansion has been expensive and underwhelming and created more problems and plenty of these issues are still present. They just haven't found a way to make Destiny pure fun instead of frustrating (crucible balance, raid drops, amount of content, repetitive, lag) and it doesn't help that it costs a lot of money and gear is invalidated very often after hard work. You eventually come to the realization that this game is addictive and just tries to keep you playing until it charges you again and you start all over. Everyone's been waiting for Destiny to be 'good' and ttk is there best attempt at it, and it's kind of underwhelming.

I miss Vault of glass, material grinding and when suros was the thorn of its time.

I like then equally. I have always loved this game. And right now, in many respects I feel the game is closer to say 1 status than any other point. Minus the added content. I know some people think current meta requires alot of grinding. Those people don't know squat about grinding in destiny if they think that.

The beta was the most fun I have had in Destiny period. The excitement, handing out beta codes to friends just so we could play together, getting enemy names wrong, The Devil's Lair being a damn raid. So many good memories.

The fact that VOG is irrelevant now is my biggest issue. My favorite raid with the best gear. Now the gear is purely for light levels. I would use VOG gear over exotics. Now that's taos great. Not this ttk bull shit

Yes

No

[quote]I think it was. (I appreciate the fair and honest replies. Especially from those that disagree. The lack of salt is refreshing.)[/quote] no

Yes because the taken king has the same problems as before in the dark below and house of wolves but the vanilla really didnt have any problems before dark below. Look at the game now. I played trials whit my friends and i dont want to sound like im the best but we are skillful. How do i know why we are skillful in trials well because there isnt a week we havent got to a lighthouse. We were 8-0 and all was great but they had 3 sunsingers. We were leading 3-2 but as soon as one of the got the sunbreaker they killed us and made orps for the next one. 3-3. Next round same happened3-4. And same happened next round 3-5 we lost and i know that if they would have some other subclasses we would have win because sunbreakers arent just fair and come on guys who say they arent overpowered because why is Bungie Nerfing it because its too overpowered. You cant really kill it Without a super because he gains his Health back when he kills someone. Thats -blam!-ed up and its as bad or even more bader then thorn. So yeah thats why vanilla destiny is better. Of course there is the raid awards that NEVER drop really they fixed it i dont think so. And yeah youre probably thinking well we could get to light 30 only if we had all the armor in vault of class and that sucked. Well you Kinda need to get all the raid weapons and armor to get to best light now so thats the same problem. So yeah vanilla was better exept the kings fall is better then the vault of class but thats only my opinion:)

Yep

id say vanilla destiny wad more challenging and alot more pve based and left pvp pkayers out alot. vanilla destiny was more balanced and vog is so much better than kingsfall but I enjoy ttk more purely down to trials of osiris...

The Taken King is the another version of Vanilla Destiny. Forever 29 and the forever 319 is basically a same thing. At least it was fun back then, because it was the first time we had an issue like that. Now people don't want to live through the same shit again, including me.

There is definitely more things to do with TTK, but I really enjoyed how challenging VoG was.

2013 Destiny was the best....

Excluding the short rampage of the Vex, yes

Yeah