I'm not arguing here but I mean. If red death wasn't OP, the community would [b]NOT[/b] use it. You can judge if a weapon is OP, by if the community used it in crucible, as we have legitimately the worst community out of any game besides Counter-Strike. Our community focuses on one gun the entire time until it is nerfed, then come to the forums as complain about diversity among armor and guns. Thorn was OP, everyone used it, now look at red death and conspiracy Theory. Not saying it needs a nerf, just letting a little steam off.