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작성자: TreyJaye
10/18/2015 1:19:00 PM
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Worms = Ahamkara?
Is it just me imagining or do the worms seem really similar to the ahamkara when they talk?
Edit: it's been brought to my attention by Sovthbovndx that the worms describe themselves as having jaws and wings and being massive in size leading me to believe that the ahamkara may be a smaller or younger version of them.
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2 답변작성자: Th3 JaBBeRWoCK 10/18/2015 12:55:17 PMFrom reading The Books of Sorrow, I believe that the Ahamkara were a race of "dragon like" beings who worshipped the worms. The Hive were "transformed" from a krill like race, into what we see of the Hive today, through worshipping the worms. I believe the same happened to the Ahamkara. Xivu Arath makes a remark along the lines of, "Our gods should be ours alone, bring me the dragons. I will shut them all in cells!" Not an exact quote, but close. It sounds like he views the Dragons relationship with the worms as an affront to the Hive. The Ahamkara and the Hive each worship the Worms in a different way, like two denominations of the same religion.
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1 답변작성자: Eranimus 10/18/2015 5:42:45 PMI don't think so. I believe the worms are more like a parasite that the hive intentionally infect themselves with to gain power and immortality. The ahamkara are more akin to giant fethered serpents that came to our solar system from the void. This possibly could have happened when the traveler came to the solar system or when the darkness began to invade. If you look at the armor that uses ahamkara bones, they look like animal bones. The ahamkara once worked with the guardians offering them knowledge and power. But the price for obtaining these things was "too high". At some point the vanguard issued an order to hunt down and kill all ahamkara. So the great hunt began. The ahamkara were killed and their bones taken to make armor and trophies. But a side effect of wearing the armor is auditory halucinations a voice in the back of your mind that whispers. Most of these whispers urge the weilder to do "questionable things". In the flavor text of the armor it often says the ahamkara like to devour, eat, or burn reality itself. Leading me to believe that once their physical bodies were killed, they bound their souls or conciousness to their bones in order to keep experiancing reality.
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3 답변I really wish/hope/pray the next expansion opens up with more information on the ahamkara. I personally couldn't give a damn about the cabal's background or motives. Just the repeated use of the phrase "oh bearer mine" has triggered far more of my intrigue than any inclusion of cabal lore or encounters in the game. Sly talking, auditory, guardian corrupting hallucinations. Yes please, tell me more.
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13 답변They are very similar when they talk however we have enough references to tell them apart and the worms are just pure evil while the Ahamkara are just a chaotic neutral being
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3 답변작성자: The Arkwolf 10/18/2015 4:59:53 AMSo this is what the Warlocks take such pride in? Killing green floppy worms? [spoiler]jk but think about it...[/spoiler]
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7 답변작성자: OG-K94 10/18/2015 11:41:32 AMThe worms and the ahamkara are nothing alike, the worms are god like and the ahamkara are nothing more than wild animals. Plus I imagine the ahamkara were pretty big where as the worms are small enough to fit in a jar. Read the book of sorrows, it's amazing.
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2 답변작성자: Ricky24O7 10/18/2015 1:43:02 AMThe ahamkaras are the worms I'm pretty sure. I think they are parasites that take over their hosts. Example: the worm that lives in oryx and his sisters that they must wage war and overtake worlds in order to satisfy the worm inside of him. I think that's what he grabs at in the very last seen and it "takes" him back to that place he was always getting lost in. Can't remember the name. Where he was trying to discover and overtake their powers so he could become more powerful than them and take back his life.
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5 답변작성자: XxsnowdevilxX16 10/18/2015 12:35:46 PMFrom the grimoire I think that the ahamkara were incapable of having offspring by themselves but they used the power of the void and had the worms but since they aren't true offspring they are nothing alike [spoiler]then they abused the worms in put them inside of oryx[/spoiler]
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29 답변To me it seems that they are not related at all, but might have crossed paths. We know that the worms are ancient and I think I read somewhere that the ahamkaras were too. But I don't think relation because if a worm can fit in to ToM then it is tiny, but the ahamkara lore suggests that they are huge beasts.
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1 답변Here's my theory. Ahamkara came from the void, the same void that the traveler came from. This makes me speculate that as they came with the traveler, the Ahamkara are beings of the light, however the worms are Ahamkara that became corrupted by the darkness.
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1 답변작성자: MAHNL 10/18/2015 2:08:52 AMDon't the worm gods describe themselves "as having jaws and wings and being of massive size and strength?" I've often wondered if this explains Oryx's giant size and wings. If it's an outward manifestation of the ancient Worm in him. I don't believe that they're the same as the Ahamkara, but I think there are a lot of similarities there. .....oh reader mine.
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3 답변Ahamkara are dragons though, their bones are incorporated into certain exotic armor pieces.
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