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작성자: EL MUGNETO
10/13/2015 3:07:30 AM
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How can people defend the sunbreaker super?
[b]EDIT AFTER FINAL EDIT:[/b] I absolutely agree that the neutral game is not the strongest, but I feel like it would be fine if It were not for the ridiculous strenght of the nightstalker's perks.
After playing around with the SB, I still feel the super is too strong for the good of the crucible, but I also felt like my only usable tools were skate, grenade, and shitty melee.
The super SHOULD be nerfed but the class should get some better perks too.
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What was the most "OP" super in PvP before TTK?
Now compare it to Sunbreaker.
Now explain to me how sunbreaker is balanced.
[Edit: forget the disclaimer]
[b]Note:[/b] Read edit 2 for my opinion on neutral game.
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[b]EDIT:[/b] So people are telling me to learn how to counter.
If Suros regime one shot to the body I could say the same thing. "Hur dur just use your super or heavy ammo you scrub""No one has learned how to counter it yet get gud""Stop crying you're just whinnying because you're bad"
The fact that it can be stopped doesn't mean it's balanced.
[b]EDIT 2:[/b] About the neutral game:
>What do you think about the gunslinger subclass then? It's neutral game is garbo and it was hailed as OP for most of the community
>Trance and chain of woe are barely in play as it's already hard enough to get precision kills and even harder to stack it.
You need to give up your knife juggler for incendiary blade, you need to give up chain of woe for over the horizon.
Golden gun is not GUARANTEED 3 kills. Sunbreaker super lasts 26 seconds while GG lasts for [u]11[/u]. You don't get damage resistance with golden gun and you can easily tank it with other supers. You can't tank a hammer.
[b]EDIT 3:[/b] Anecdotal evidence =/= fact
[b]EDIT 4:[/b] I want to make it clear that I want balance. I don't want to nerf SB just because they kill me all the time but because they are too powerful. I also feel like all three new TTK subclasses completely outrank old ones and it should also be taken a look at. As well as buffing old ones.
Additionally, I hate the fact that PvP and PvE have to be balanced proportionally. So please stop telling me about PvE because GG and BD suck at that too.
[b][i][u]FINAL EDIT:[/u][/i][/b] These comment threads contain pretty much all the points I have to support my argument.
Sunbreaker vs Gunslinger
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161444296/0/0/1
Sunbreaker vs Bladedancer
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161726167/0/0/1
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[quote]What was the most "OP" super in PvP before TTK? Now compare it to Sunbreaker. Now explain to me how sunbreaker is balanced. [Edit: forget this disclaimer] [b][i][u]DISCLAIMER:[/u][/i][/b] [b]I KNOW SUNBREAKER NEUTRAL GAME IS WEAK COMPARED TO OTHER SUBCLASSES. THIS IS PURELY A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SUPER [b]Note:[/b] Read edit 2 for my opinion on neutral game. --------------------------------------------------- [b]EDIT:[/b] So people are telling me to learn how to counter. No shit. If Suros regime one shot to the body I could say the same thing. "Hur dur just use your super or heavy ammo you scrub""No one has learned how to counter it yet get gud""Stop crying you're just whinnying because you're bad" The fact that it can be stopped doesn't mean it's balanced. [b]EDIT 2:[/b] About the neutral game: >What do you think about the gunslinger subclass then? It's neutral game is garbo and it was hailed as OP for most of the community >Trance and chain of woe are barely in play as it's already hard enough to get precision kills and even harder to stack it. You need to give up your knife juggler for incendiary blade, you need to give up chain of woe for over the horizon. Golden gun is not GUARANTEED 3 kills. Sunbreaker super lasts 26 seconds while GG lasts for [u]11[/u]. You don't get damage resistance with golden gun and you can easily tank it with other supers. You can't tank a hammer. [b]EDIT 3:[/b] Anecdotal evidence =/= fact [b]EDIT 4:[/b] I want to make it clear that I want balance. I don't want to nerf SB just because they kill me all the time but because they are too powerful. I also feel like all three new TTK subclasses completely outrank old ones and it should also be taken a look at. As well as buffing old ones. [b][i][u][quote]FINAL EDIT:[/quote][/u][/i][/b] These comment threads contain pretty much all the points I have to support my argument. Sunbreaker vs Gunslinger https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161444296/0/0/1 Sunbreaker vs Bladedancer https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161726167/0/0/1[/quote] Simple all classes are "OP ". Sunbreaker is no more than others, people are just salty their hunters and warlock have strong competition. And if its so OP then why are titans still only a small percentage of pve or PvP
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1 답변I would also like to point out the supers are the most important aspect of a subclass (sadly this is true...) Just because the neutral game is a little worse on this class doesn't justify how strong the super is. Supers dictate how matches go wayyyyyyy more than any other aspect. Say you're playing control, and only have 1 flag. Activate hammer time, go clear the middle objective, take it, and there's probably 2-4 orbs on the ground for [u]each[/u] of your teammates. The team that wins super battles is almost always the team that wins. They help you win fights over heavy as well, another way to assert your dominance. Hammer of Sol has too much going for it. Everyone knows it, just accept the fact that it's gonna get nerfed before too long.
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14 답변Why is it that every time something is "not balanced" its typically hunters whom bitch moan and complain the loudest. Even when their supers weren't balanced and statistics proved that hunters were the most used class in pvp they'd just pop in for a quick "git gud son' comment. Seriously, grow the -blam!- up! If you aren't evading every time a super is activated you're doing it wrong and deserve to die. You are also dumb as -blam!- for thinking you can take a guy with his super activated.
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1 답변It's ridiculously overpowered compared to EVERY OTHER SUPER. That being said, only have one problem with it. That problem is that it's the only super that's as strong as a super should be. All other supers are way too weak
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Every titan: OMFG BUTTHURT HUNTERS THE CLASS IS MOSTLY BASED AROUND THE SUBCLASS AND THE ONLY SOLOTION IS TO RUN AWAY BUT ITS NOT OP BECAUSE.... uhhhhhh[spoiler]hhhhh[/spoiler][quote]hhhhhhh[/quote][u][i][b]hhhh[/b][/i][/u]
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Because they're not even difficult to deal with? This has become the class that i find myself killing the most while in their super. Just get airborne dodge a few hammers while shooting them, watch the panic set in as their health is dissapearing and finish them off. Fusion rifles are great, hawkmoon works great, snipers work beautifully, most supers can handle them as well, other than defender. Let titans have their fun, but understand they aren't this unstoppable force that the forums have been claiming they are.
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It's like the shotgun situation. It excels in cqc and holding down points but it struggles out in the open. The problem is most maps cater to the cqc play style. GG excels in both of these situations, a skilled gunslinger will have three targets down normally before the enemy has even seen them. I am really interested to see how effective it is in something like trials, it will be easily flanked and easily shutdown by shadow shot, nova bomb, GG and FOH. I'm all for being able to OHK to the head with a 31+ impact sniper, but other than that I think it's fine.
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11 답변I'm getting really tired of seeing pointless threads about the sunbreakers. If you want to add to the argument. Then post a response on one of the millions of other posts against sunbreakers. Stop cluttering the forums with this garbage.
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8 답변My biggest issue is the health regen they get. I dont mind the damage resist so long as all the damage I put into them doesn't end up pointless because of that damn perk.
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[quote]What was the most "OP" super in PvP before TTK? Now compare it to Sunbreaker. Now explain to me how sunbreaker is balanced. [Edit: forget this disclaimer] [b][i][u]DISCLAIMER:[/u][/i][/b] [b]I KNOW SUNBREAKER NEUTRAL GAME IS WEAK COMPARED TO OTHER SUBCLASSES. THIS IS PURELY A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SUPER [b]Note:[/b] Read edit 2 for my opinion on neutral game. --------------------------------------------------- [b]EDIT:[/b] So people are telling me to learn how to counter. No shit. If Suros regime one shot to the body I could say the same thing. "Hur dur just use your super or heavy ammo you scrub""No one has learned how to counter it yet get gud""Stop crying you're just whinnying because you're bad" The fact that it can be stopped doesn't mean it's balanced. [b]EDIT 2:[/b] About the neutral game: >What do you think about the gunslinger subclass then? It's neutral game is garbo and it was hailed as OP for most of the community >Trance and chain of woe are barely in play as it's already hard enough to get precision kills and even harder to stack it. You need to give up your knife juggler for incendiary blade, you need to give up chain of woe for over the horizon. Golden gun is not GUARANTEED 3 kills. Sunbreaker super lasts 26 seconds while GG lasts for [u]11[/u]. You don't get damage resistance with golden gun and you can easily tank it with other supers. You can't tank a hammer. [b]EDIT 3:[/b] Anecdotal evidence =/= fact [b]EDIT 4:[/b] I want to make it clear that I want balance. I don't want to nerf SB just because they kill me all the time but because they are too powerful. I also feel like all three new TTK subclasses completely outrank old ones and it should also be taken a look at. As well as buffing old ones. [b][i][u][quote]FINAL EDIT:[/quote][/u][/i][/b] This comment thread contains pretty much all my points. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161444296/0/0/1[/quote]From what i remember bungie said that the sunbreaker is something to run away from...So why are you running to it? If you wouldn't rush them and try to be a hero they wouldn't get any kills problem solved
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3 답변작성자: Show Stopper188 10/11/2015 9:09:29 PM
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1 답변Who the -blam!- cares?!? It's a super, it's suppose to be OP! Get over it and move on. Most of the people on these forum's bitch and complain like it's the end of the world. I never really see any constructive feedback, just whining and complaining. How do you expect Bungie to take this feedback forum seriously when half the posts on hear are a complete joke?!?
