[b]EDIT AFTER FINAL EDIT:[/b] I absolutely agree that the neutral game is not the strongest, but I feel like it would be fine if It were not for the ridiculous strenght of the nightstalker's perks. After playing around with the SB, I still feel the super is too strong for the good of the crucible, but I also felt like my only usable tools were skate, grenade, and shitty melee. The super SHOULD be nerfed but the class should get some better perks too. --------------------------------------------------- What was the most "OP" super in PvP before TTK? Now compare it to Sunbreaker. Now explain to me how sunbreaker is balanced. [Edit: forget the disclaimer] [b]Note:[/b] Read edit 2 for my opinion on neutral game. --------------------------------------------------- [b]EDIT:[/b] So people are telling me to learn how to counter. If Suros regime one shot to the body I could say the same thing. "Hur dur just use your super or heavy ammo you scrub""No one has learned how to counter it yet get gud""Stop crying you're just whinnying because you're bad" The fact that it can be stopped doesn't mean it's balanced. [b]EDIT 2:[/b] About the neutral game: >What do you think about the gunslinger subclass then? It's neutral game is garbo and it was hailed as OP for most of the community >Trance and chain of woe are barely in play as it's already hard enough to get precision kills and even harder to stack it. You need to give up your knife juggler for incendiary blade, you need to give up chain of woe for over the horizon. Golden gun is not GUARANTEED 3 kills. Sunbreaker super lasts 26 seconds while GG lasts for [u]11[/u]. You don't get damage resistance with golden gun and you can easily tank it with other supers. You can't tank a hammer. [b]EDIT 3:[/b] Anecdotal evidence =/= fact [b]EDIT 4:[/b] I want to make it clear that I want balance. I don't want to nerf SB just because they kill me all the time but because they are too powerful. I also feel like all three new TTK subclasses completely outrank old ones and it should also be taken a look at. As well as buffing old ones. Additionally, I hate the fact that PvP and PvE have to be balanced proportionally. So please stop telling me about PvE because GG and BD suck at that too. [b][i][u]FINAL EDIT:[/u][/i][/b] These comment threads contain pretty much all the points I have to support my argument. Sunbreaker vs Gunslinger https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161444296/0/0/1 Sunbreaker vs Bladedancer https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/161726167/0/0/1