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작성자: IICADENCEII 8/27/2015 3:15:03 AM
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Weapon Meta 2.0 = BORING?

***I know final edit is long but it's primarily addressed to the 700 guardians who have already replied*** FINAL EDIT: The amount of salt this very non-controversial post of mine has garnered has both surprised and, ultimately, saddened me. For clarification, I simply asked a question couched in a very cautious, inquisitive, and open manner. What I received in response from the community was a level of contempt and animosity normally reserved for the very worst of "troll" posts. Now, before you all start in with thinking that my booty is hurt, let me make it very clear, it is NOT... at least not because most of you disagree with me... No, me being saddened by the whole thing rests solely at the feet of a realization about this community that has developed from combing through the details of the hundreds of frustrations, concerns, and excuses outlined in your replies... and that is this: Bungie's current PvP product has simply become far too quick and twitchy for most of you. Almost every hysterical reply has included lamentations of things happening to you far too quickly and before you have a chance to counter said offense. I'll be honest, I love Destiny PvP (Trials in particular) and dreamed about being part of a much more skilled, competitive, and, ultimately, mature (in a fps gamer sense) gaming community. The first two Halos did. Gears of War 3 did. And, Battlefield 4 currently has a very advanced player base. And let me just inform you, this community is no where near those! Not even close! I mean, I've tried to imagine kids crying about the Pistols and Rockets in Halo being OP back in the day and just start laughing about quickly any moron like that would have been kicked out of the system link party for even thinking it. How about someone calling for the BXR combo to be patched in Halo 2? No way! You were expected to master it or GTFO! What if some half-bright asked for "wall bouncing/gnashers" in Gears of War 3 to be nerfed? 'Maybe it should have a cool down so I can collect myself before someone better than me wrecks my ass!' Not a chance! People would have looked at you like you were some kind of circus freak as the words were leaving your mouth. IDK. I technically have no right to expect that of you all. Maybe this community was never going to be that... thus, I was naive by indulging in those hopes and desires. I appear to have been wrong in doing so. Ehhh, I'm 36 now and those hard-d#%k bad a33es are off doing who knows what with their lives... admittedly, probably something better with their time. But, I now know they're definitely not part of this community and, as such, I'm left with you all who, unfortunately for me, have proven to be a terribly pitiful group of whiny, unskilled underachieving gamers to help carry on the legacy of the guys who made these kinds of games popular in the first place. I'd say it would have been good for many of you to have known them, but, they would have been bored by you anyway. --------------------------------------------- Original Post: Is it just me or do the details of the weapon patch 2.0 make it sound like PvP is about to turn into a very boring style of play? Here me out: 1.) Nerfing Blink - was one of the best ways to close on the enemy. 2.) Nerfing Shotguns and Fusion Rifles - effective weapon to kill with once closed on enemy. 3.) Nerfing Hand Cannons - really the only current viable primary class that's effective at remaining agile while shooting the enemy. Seems pretty obvious that come 2.0 we'll all be taking shots at each other from a cross the map with our Snipers and Scout Rifles... Yeah! Sounds like fun! Edit #1: In light of the responders making incoherent claims about a current lack of weapon variety, I thought I would make a short list of weapons currently available to us... ALL of which if used by a good player will yield strong results. Primary - Thorn, TLW, Hawk, Red Death, Bad Juju, MIDA, Messenger, Hop Scotch = 9. Secondary - Fel Winter's, Matador, Party Crasher, Invective, Pocket Infinity, Plan C, LDR, Efrideets, Long Bow, Praedyth's, Her Benevolence = 11. Heavy - Truth, Ghally, and the million other rocket launchers with horseshoes and grenades. Jolder's, Thunderlord, Corrective Measure. Add in supers, melees, and grenades and I have to ask, how many f@#%ing choices do you need to be happy???!!!!! Edit #2: You can almost be certain that if you are complaining about Blink then you are someone who does not know how to use it and must get owned by it regularly... what a scrubby defect... so easy to counter... I haven't been killed by one in probably 3 weeks.

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  • You spent the entire first half of this ridiculous post insulting everyone reading it. Only to have less kills on all 3 characters than I (and most cruci fighters) have on just one. You very obviously depend on your teammates in said Trial mode, where they can frequently revive you. In total, you simply don't have enough talent, respect, or experience in this game to be mouthing off players here. Especially making pointless references to games that are long since past. You basically sit here and defend 1. Thorn 2. Blink You are the problem with crucible, and such is the reason you don't like the upcoming "changes" because it's going to force you to completely change your game style. Shooting someone across the map with scout rifles and snipers? Yeah that's the point. Jeezus. Honestly just go back to wherever you "elites" hang out, and leave the real killing to people who've been doing it a lot longer

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    • 작성자: Sidian 8/27/2015 7:37:53 PM
      "For clarification, I simply asked a question couched in a very cautious, inquisitive, and open manner." Lol, no you didn't. At best it was passive aggressive. At worse it was the same tired tone of whining about nerfs that ultimately becomes indistinguishable from the whining FOR nerfs. You laid out the foundation, so don't complain about the house that was built on it.

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    • Destiny pvp is very broken right now. Anyone who denies this is a fool or blind.

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    • My thoughts on 2.0 are this. Last word and thorn needed a nerf but the legendary ones were fine. Shotgun nerf being needed were bungie's own doing with releasing fellwinters then other shotguns like it. The fusion rifle nerf wasn't even necessary. Who was complaining about them? Most matches I was the only one using one. Grenades and horshoes range was rediculous. The one thing I am puzzled by is when I was looking at the new LMGs the range on them was very short.

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    • 작성자: Cruistix 8/27/2015 7:41:46 PM
      I learned long ago that to have a fair conversation, you should probably have posted in the reddit forum for Destiny... Only come here to laugh, argue, or just be amazed at how terrible this community can be.... The forums here are like 4chan/b... Take everything you see here with a grain of salt brother

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    • Why don't we wait and see... People are dumb

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    • It's unfair to judge before we've actually played

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      • I'm looking forward to it, I will probably still use my hawkmoon. I didn't care so much for the thorn more for TLW.

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      • With 2.0 the Destiny skill gap will become even wider. The bad players will become even more bad and the good players will be even better. I'm looking forward to it.

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        • I agree that I like the fast twitchy style of playing, however I think the games pvp has become too easy and crutch based... It can still be twitchy without CoD Time to kill... If you play a lot of pvp it feels for example that all the randoms in 6v6 are suddenly much better than they were... It's definitely not that they actually got better because it's easy to force them into a situation where they have no clue what to do... But while pub stomping I've been owned by some 1.3 k/d kid... And next game make a team of 2.0+ kids rage...it just seems that it's a scrubby game at the moment... I simply would like to see people who don't have to rely on specific tactics and guns to have that skill show.

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          • 작성자: lVluffin 8/27/2015 6:25:49 PM
            Bump.

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          • 작성자: iZnth 8/27/2015 4:11:43 PM
            I can't wait for the 2.0 patch to drop so that everyone saying "people who use Thorn, TLW and shotguns can't use anything else" can get absolutely owned by other weapons too.

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            • I'm not sure I understand why they decided to wait until TTK to fix it...

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              • Couldn't agree with YOU more. And great post before I forget. Allow me a moment to express why I agree though: First, I am also 36, so that connection alone gives me ample reason to understand your justification for believing the 2.0 patch will be in my opinion, garbage. Doing this and doing that; essentially catering to whiny, temper-tantrum throwing community, takes away from the nostalgia. For instance, I stopped playing Destiny awhile ago, and shotgun + blink strike with a primary hand-cannon was the meta. Wow! Before I stopped playing, any primary weapon had a chance of putting-up a good gun fight. For granted the non-upgraded Suros (which is still my favorite) and fusion rifles were a little annoying but nothing like the Thorn and Lastword same-o-same today. And here I am few months into another break from Destiny just checking forums and wham, another patch?! WTF?! Nerfing blink cooldowns and Thorn's residual damage, along with other cheap tunes; WTF again!? What it boils down to; at least for me, will be another expansion (TTK) that will show the same levels just in a different perspective. Destiny as a whole, let me down; which I believe has a lot to the game overall. Destiny has become a distant memory to this experienced, mature gamer, who demands more from a video game.

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                • Bungie's philosophy was that there should be no 1 way to win. Hand cannons were becoming the only 1 way to win. Their goal is to make all weapon types a viable choice so that everyone will have a weapon that fits their playstyle. What is wrong with balance?

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                  • You have your opinion, it is valid, let others express their's while being civil. The reason the meta is being changed is because of implementations that Bungie has made on other patches. Think of it as a patch-patch. Hear me out: Auto Rifles used to be good, they were nerfed, bungie is rebuffing them. Thorn was buffed to god-tier, now it's headed back to where it needs to be. Shotties were fine before the reforging ability surfaced, allowing EVERYONE to get a maxed range shotty, Bungie is nerfing them. ^Same applies to Grenades n Horsehoes rockets. Blink? Haha its stupid OP. Takes little skill to master, is leagues above every other jump type, and only available to 2 classes. It needs a nerf. (And no, Titan's don't need a shoulder charge nerf. It's their one special thing). The meta is about to go from a cluster -blam!- to closer to OG destiny PvP, which I think is great. Oh and by the way, the other games you mentioned. Remember the USAS-12 frag in Battlefield? It was OP, it got nerfed. Destiny isn't the first one to nerf something that is blatantly OP. They listen to the community, and look at their data and go: "Hmmm. 90% of the crucible is using the exact same setup. Let's change that!".

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                    • 작성자: ACNE 8/27/2015 5:40:00 PM
                      Good post. I am also a bit worried that crucible will be more slow and borring. But on the other hand i think is good with som variety. Shotguns are still going to be good, they are not getting a big nerf. Its not like sniping is going to be the new meta lol...The irony of it all is that super long range shotguns is most effective for scrubs, good players are often closer than they need anyway. A good player still wrecks with found verdict without shotpackage etc.

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                      • If you want less salt, look up the Crucible dedicated redit. Never come to the forums for maturity.

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                        • How can you call something you have never played boring? Even if you judge on what you have seen in other streams. Of course you would find that boring. Watching someone play is not nearly as funny as playing in itself.

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                          • Sounds like you need to go back to playing CS:GO. If you want instant ttk you can play CoD and BF4. Some people thing quality pvp intails making big plays and map control, and not how quickly you can revive and throw yourself at the other team in a blaze of "glory". What, you cant kill someone if it takes more that one shot to kill him? Sounds like your priorities are just different, and thats fine, there are already games for you.

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                            • Sure there are plenty of weapons available, but when you look at the current Crucible trends, you will see that only a few of these are actually commonly used, and the ones that are reforgable are all pretty much the same in terms of stats and perks because everyone gravitates towards the same builds. This is the problem. Matador, Felwinter's, and Party Crasher are all "different" weapons, but their unique qualities are essentially meaningless because pretty much every player that uses them reforges them to get those few winning perks like shot package. Blink annoys me in how commonly it's used, but it has never bothered me too much, and if shotguns get put in their place it should hopefully bring blink's effectiveness way down. And I can almost guarantee players won't all switch to sniping and scout rifles because of the skills involved in using those weapons effectively. Fusion rifles will now be more viable, auto rifles will be more viable, and I predict that the rise in pulse rifle users will continue once the patch is in effect. This is what the patch is supposed to do. Of course, all this talk is utterly meaningless until the patch actually drops, so I'm having trouble understanding why this thread started in the first place

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                              • Honestly, everything on an even playing field is better than the cancerous meta we have.

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                                • Best halo was the one where u could wield two guns

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                                  • Before you say you're better at crucible please admit first that you use these "crutches" like everyone else, your Matador 64 being a prime example. Also your Warlock's setup is a lie, no one uses strangers rifle or Super Good Advice(which only has 177 kills) you can re-equip your Thorn or Last Word, your Party Crasher needs re-rolled, and go ahead and equip your rocket launcher that more than likely has the typical grenades and horseshoes, javelin and tripod to maintain that 2.09 K/D [spoiler]shittier K/D and still rekt.[/spoiler]

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                                    • They needed some changes. I just hope when the flaws come up which I'm sure they will they are quicker to balance and not make everyone deal with OP weapons. They need to be quicker with updates and balances. The shotties needed the nerf. I use em a lot but that's because it's OP and I always like shotties so I'm lucky. Soon they'll be exactly what they are supposed to be. Short range weapons.

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                                    • If you ask its gonna be a lot more fun A LOT more fun. Not walking in a firefight and getting your head blown off.

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