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작성자: GeneralPoe
8/20/2015 6:14:44 PM
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The Top 5% Should be the Focus Point on Dictating Nerfs in PVP.
- Yes the thread title changed to make the debate more accurate.
- Summary of the old body of content is found below
- With new matchmaking this system will be easier to judge.
[b]NOTE:[/b] By dictating I mean by Bungies view on statistical information among the higher skilled players.
[b]QUESTION:[/b] Why should a player who doesn't understand his class; not understand the line of sights to maps; not understand the mechanics of weapons be a reasonable voice for what needs to be nerfed and what is OP when clearly their level of play is below the curve so everything is OP to them.
[i][u][b]Summary of Previous Body of Content[/b][/u][/i]
I hope when matchmaking changes you only judge PVP from the higher tier players and let the lesser players actually learn to be good.
The only way to actually tell if something is OP is if it's dominating in the higher tier of competitive players which in turn shows there is no counter.
[i]Please keep debate on topic since earlier when this was posted it got out of hand with one line trolls[/i]
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Old Edits so I don't have to keep answering the same Questions.
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EDIT: Your real KD is found in the Grimoire card Crucible Introduction and is all kills and deaths under every Crucible mode from the start of your game to present so the argument about making a new guardian is irrelevant.
EDIT: So many people think those who have a high KD have a high KD because of Thorn and TLW but it's actually skill and when the meta changes those people will still be on top and make the next weapons look OP.
EDIT: I have played extensively on all 3 guardians. I don't have time to play and constantly grind on all 3 so I kept the class who is best in PVP because that's what I mainly play. If I were to choose a class overall I love Warlock but the Hunter has one skill in PVP that trumps all and that's "Quick Draw".
EDIT: Once Bungie implements skilled matchmaking the game will get better and that's when you ONLY view the higher level matchmaking players. The ones with actual skill and knowledge of weapons who can find counters.
EDiT: yes my total KD from the start of the game is 1.47 so therefore I didn't make this post about me "shocking" so posts directed towards me rather than the topic at hand have all been snuffed out because they are illogical.
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K/D and Skill...............sorry but they are two different things. I just finished a match I got thrown into.....and before I get to far, I never said I had skill. Any ways, I get thrown into a match that was 4 vs 6, score was 2000 - 9000 when I joined. At the end, the highest kill total on the other team was 19 but they all had a high K/D, average was over 3.0, because it was constantly 6 vs 2 or 6 vs 3....sorry, but that's not skill, that's just better odds. And don't tell me that was one match, it happens more often then not. Its the cost of the current matchmaking system. Also, not everyone plays with K/D in mind, me being one of them. I'll rush the heavy knowing I'll die, but if I take out at least one person who gabbed it I just saved 3 or more of my team. I paid for the game, he paid for the game....everyone playing paid for the game and we all have equal say......not that it really matters anyway, so why am I typing this ...I don't know, maybe I'll just stop and do something productive, like go take a dump. PEACE GUARDIANS.
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4 답변What the hell is "less than 1.50+ KD"? So people with a KD that is less than anything that is over 1.5? Is that + sign lost or something?
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2 답변Wrong. Like me I am 1.5+ on my characters and to be honest that is because I use auto rifles. The only people with amazings KD's abuse hand cannons and shotguns. So if they're deciding what nerfs should happen then they want their crutch cannons to be good and everything else to be bad. If you allow the good people with KD's and those who abuse crutch cannons then destiny will be even more broken
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No player should dictate anything ... stats should. And I'm pretty sure those stats are what they use. All the crybaby nerf threads go unnoticed / unread by bungie ... why do you think they're more active on Reddit then on their own site?
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Another entitled elitist type post. They will cater to whoever brings in the bucks. Nerfs = Easier for New Players = More Revenue when players buy the games. No one cares if anyone's K/D is 1.5, 2.5 or .25. If they do care that much, they need to re-think their life's priorities over a console game.
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Taking the elitist tone out of the post and I agree. Look nerfing torn or blink or shotguns won't make anyone who is already struggling better. The good players will always find a way. Or they might decide to pack and leave. I just don't like rebalances period.
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You understand Bungie listens to the money? The money isn't in people with over 1.5 KDs. Majority of the posters have terrible KDs but they are the voice that can be heard. Second note, you do understand tht people with higher KDs are less likely to shout at the top of their lungs for things to be changed. We see things as they are, accept them. We adopt them in our playstyles an proceed to beat your ass with them. Third note, weaker players are those who constantly call for changes because they see winners using a specific gun and can't quite believe that it's possible for someone to be that good. Blame it on the weapon and call for nerf. It can't be the weapon because if it were, all these fools running with Thorns and TLWs would have 2.0s.. They don't.
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Please don't nerf the only things that make me good! I can't survive without it! That's what you sound like. Besides, some people play around with other setups to test their effectiveness or to practice. Some people go into crucible to -blam!- around (they might be good, but sometimes you want something different). Some people might play more of a support role. K/D isn't everything.
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2 답변You're right. Campers with thorn, efrideet's spear and felwinter's should be the only people with an opinion. Fist yourself OP.
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3 답변Players with a 1.5 yearly KD only use broken OP shit.. of course they don't want their precious training wheels removed. Don't be such a sour.
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Maybe kd isn't as important to most people. Maybe people want to have fun by using what they enjoy? Anyone who says hand cannons ( especially the exotics ) and shotguns aren't dominating the crucible is either blind or dumb. A single weapon type should not be so powerful that 50% or more people are compelled to use it. Also your logic is invalid because I am sure a large portion of the "competitive" destiny players are rocking a thorn/tlw/hawk awesome and a shotgun. So many of them would say it works for them so don't fix it.
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1 답변Ahem. Let me educate you a little bit. A player using blink can do it approximately 25-ish times a minute that topped with a shotgun makes it massively overpowered against players that use gunslinger Titan or just don't use blink in general it gives players a massive maneuverability advantage over just about anything, one can dodge a slam, nova bomb or even run away from a Blade dance but let's move away from that. A thorn can 2-3 shot an enemy and the only way to prevent the 2 tap is with the help of another exotic like red death or ram and even still with a ram a player is left with virtually no health leaving them with the Lethal intent of a 2 legged squirrel. As someone who sees the crucible as an enjoyable and fun experience in the current meta a thorn can kill someone better than most HoW snipers can and with last season snipers with final round he still being a problem that's not fun. Crucible in its current state isn't fun. Players have a say, having this elitist mentality of you play crucible and only crucible doesn't mean you are the almighty overseer of Bungie. A last word can inflict lethal damage in 10 frames, that is faster than the average human reaction time a shotgun can kill someone from roughly 15 meters if you have Shotpackage LITC and reinforced barrel. You have no basis to say a player shouldn't have a voice. You my good sir have been educated now please pass on the information and learn.
