That's rite, the community here on these fourms is what is making this game less and Less attractive. Reality is only about 15% at most of the ppl that play this game that actually post here and 80% of the ones that do are only stirring unnecessary B.S. they have major issues that need to be dealt with such as lagswitching but look through the fourms and you will find it there but not even a fraction as much as players whimpering about some gun that killed them in pvp by a superior player. That's rite go ahead and start that, why is it always us pvp players others want Thorn nerfed too! Really? I have never seen a post on here from Crota or a pissed of Vandal about what weapon killed him and all his buddies over and over, nope not once. I very seldomsee anyone in PVE using a Thorn to kill a boss, So yeah its mostly the Pvp players that has got my weapons Nerfed over and over. All this me me me i i i generation is killing me. There is no I in Team, hello. And then you wonder why no one wants to help you run a raid or any event. I can't imagine. Just because it's a game doesn't mean you should start off at the top. Some things take work to achieve. Don't give me that RNG B.S. either if you play enough it will drop trust me. Do you think your favorite sports team and or player just woke up one day and was the best ever? Hell no it took alot of work and practice. Here is a good thought for Bungie, Track and post the PvP leaderboards for 2 months, first month as they are now, the second month run it with only 3 weapons exactly the same and at the end of the second month when the same 90% that lead the first month is on top again with all matched weapons and players go tell the Nerfssys to STFU and practice.or Better yet since they want everything so well balanced and even or generic, yall should go back to the Blue and Red. Then we have all these but hurt players with this if you don't have a Gally crying. I have never not played with someone that doesn't have a certain weapon, fact is I usually go out of my way to help them try and get them. Just last night my friend and I helped a random complete his Thorn bounty. If some one don't want you because you don't have a certain weapon then why the hell would you want to play with a asshole anyway? Now if I help you a few times and your not getting any better at staying alive or holding your on then no I won't take you on the bigger challenges because obviously your not trying to get better so that may be part of the problem and you know there is no one that likes that player that comes in with half the time spent in the game the you have in it with not nearly the weapon s or gear trying to tell you how great they are only to have to wait as they die 15 times just trying to get past the jumping puzzle in VoG. To cut this short because I could go on and on, all I'm saying is grow the hell up and let's try and get things that need to be fixed done first Like lag and cheating. Don't run ahead in a fireteam and stir up all the mobs leave my guns alone and have a nice day o_O