I liked everything about it, except for what they did with fusion rifles. They really need some sort of buff in PvE because they simply don't do enough damage at the moment

I can finally use my Suros again <3

Meh, time to try new stuff, have fun with other weapons ... everyone crying about shit that hasn't even been implemented yet makes me smile ... seriously wait, take a breath, wipe the tears away and try out the balancing in PVE and PVP before getting all bent out of shape about stuff ...

Actually...in the past...what they have written and what they actually implemented were two different things...do not always believe what is written by Bungie....they have been known to to mislead/misdirect to hide what they REALLY do.

What the literal f*ck were they thinking? Like the regular hand cannons are now getting -blam!-ed. All the weapons used to make boss battles easier just got nerfed probably to make this game last until TTK, which is just BS like -blam!- that. I'm getting so -blam!-ing tired of bungie trying to make all guns equal, that's not how it should be. There should be guns that are head and shoulders above the rest, I liked the buffs that made some guns more relevant but they do not need to nerf the more popular or good guns to hell. More than anything I'm pissed about thorn, and someone will probably say I'm just being a whiny baby about it, but I don't really care. I've had this gun for a long time and I remember how it was hard to use or very impractical to use for a very long time. Just recently did thorn become a good gun to use, and some people say shit like 'oh you just didn't have enough skill' but that's complete BS. The thorn was shit for majority of destiny timeline. I get that a buff was needed but this was too much, especially messing with the mark of the devourer, that is just too much. So -blam!- this gun 'balancing'. I bet they'll change shit either before or shortly after this update goes live cause of all the people giving 'feedback' about it. All in all this balancing is complete shit.

I actually think that they got it this time except that Blackhammer got nerfed. They got rid of what made it good. They should have made it so you only have 1 bullets in reserve. That way you only get 2 chances

Vex Mythoclast fix & PvE Fusion Rifle damage buff would be a nice addition

Everything was good except black hammer nerf

they think the crucible is broken now? lmao it's about to be so -blam!-ing stupid I'll probably stop playing destiny altogether. like buddy said below, all non exotic hand cannons are going to be shit which they already are against almost any exotic. in my opinion, there shouldn't be any exotics in the trials. if it really is a test of skill then make it to where you can only choose a [b]CLASS[/b] of weapon and everyone gets the same shit. for instance, if you choose hand cannon you will be using a legendary hand cannon. no choice in the actual gun or perks. same with shotguns snipers fusion rifles, all that shit. everyone has had a trials match to where everyone used thorn, or red death and there wasn't much you could do to defend yourself. yea some people are that good but it takes away from fairness in a tournament if teams are all using broken guns. make it interesting, no perks for any weapon or armor and then we'll see true skill.

I like it, but they f[b]u[/b]cked up on fusion rifles.

Hate it! There's a reason weapons are used. Because they are effective and people enjoy using them. It's an absolute joke what they are doing to black hammer, gjallarhorn (which people spent hours and hours trying to get) and ice breaker. They aren't broken, they don't need fixing and bungie seem to be taking the easy way out. The real challenge would be to make the other weapons which are useless more effective without changing the ones that people love. Seriously, how can they think that they aren't going to anger the community by destroying the weapons they love the most. I don't mean to sound like one of the cry babies of the community but I think I'm suffering from the destiny burn out that many people have gone through. This is my first break since release. Reason - Prison of elders is a real let down. Beat skolas with all 3 burns and without a burn. Now it seems pointless.

The only one that really bothers me, is the ice breaker, and I only use it on VoG

I'm happy with most. I'm most happy about the range damage drop off changes. I've always been saying that hand cannons shouldn't be competing with scout rifle ranges. This will make each weapon type more suited for its specific role. Med to close range and want a high impact to stagger. Use a hand cannon. Want to drop health fast and not as worries about stagger? Auto rifles are your friend. Mid to long range a steady hand on a pulse rifle can drop targets fast. Or do you prefer pin point accuracy and a slower controlled rate of fire. Icebreaker... well I don't feel the change was needed but nor do I see it as ruining the use of the weapon. Ghorn... I've been expecting this for awhile. Ghorn was just way too over and above any other launcher. It will still have tracking and proximity and wolf pack. But maybe instead of 240 damage (or whatever) per WPR it might be closer to 100. It'll still be the strongest and best launcher. Just not by such a gross margin. Now for the hated. Black hammer. I think most of us can agree that this change has made what was once a prized and coveted sniper, a new vault decoration. Sad times indeed. So many other choices could have been made here. Let white nail pull 1 or 2 rounds from inventory and gift 1 or 2. Let it pull all from inventory but give it 18 rounds AND a 6 round clip. Hitting any 3 of the 6 would reload from inventory. It used to be a high skill high reward. Now it requires high skill for a mediocre reward. Fusion rifles. I've never liked them, never played much with them. They hit hard but with charge time their DPS in PvE activities was lacking. I think they need to lower charge times on the PvE side if they ever want to make these weapons appeal to most players. As it stand shotguns have 0 charge time and with the right perks have fast reload times and can do as much or more damage at close range. Fusion rifles can't hit at mid to long ranges. So why would anyone use them? Overall I'm happy with the changes and look forward to seeing how they do damage falloff with various weapon types. See people stop trying to use hand cannons as snipers and maybe branch out a bit. Hopefully with taken king they'll introduce larger maps. Get rid of combined arms and put those maps back in general rotation, and make crucible a more varied and fun style instead if all shotguns and hand cannons. P.s. I forsee the next nerf cries coming for red death and messenger.

Black hammer why???, theres no point on having it after september... there are equal dps weapons with bigger clip than it.... the infinite ammo was the only thing that made it worth it

Black hammer just didn't need it

Why black hammer bungie?

Like it but they messed up black hammer and icebreaker

I love it.

I didn't liked it,but I'm happy autos are back